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On 8/21/2020 at 10:29 AM, paulsutton said:

Would a universal basic income be far better for society,  ?

We can't even identify what the goals of society are so we are moving forward blindly. But yes I think basic income makes sense to just about everyone. People who have great empathy and concern for others regardless of where it leads will always support basic income, and clinical robot eugenicists will probably also support it since giving the poor more money slows their breeding.

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9 hours ago, drumbo said:

We can't even identify what the goals of society are

Sure we can, survive...

9 hours ago, drumbo said:

But yes I think basic income makes sense to just about everyone.

If that were true we'd have it already...

The problem is, the wealthy can't imagine why it's a good idea to keep people alive with money to spend. 🙄

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11 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Sure we can, survive...

If that were true we'd have it already...

The problem is, the wealthy can't imagine why it's a good idea to keep people alive with money to spend. 🙄

I think the wealthy want the poor to breed in great numbers since that would provide a large supply of surplus labor which cannot do much beyond menial labor which drives down their wages. The wealthy wisely have fewer children which ensures the jobs which the wealthy tend to do will have a lower supply of candidates in the next generation, increasing their own earnings. If you are innately smarter and more dominant it may actually be wise to avoid having too many bastard children lest you dilute your advantage by sharing your precious DNA.

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3 minutes ago, drumbo said:

I think the wealthy want the poor to breed in great numbers since that would provide a large supply of surplus labor which cannot do much beyond menial labor which drives down their wages. The wealthy wisely have fewer children which ensures the jobs which the wealthy tend to do will have a lower supply of candidates in the next generation, increasing their own earnings. If you are innately smarter and more dominant it may actually be wise to avoid having too many bastard children lest you dilute your advantage by sharing your precious DNA.

It's interesting, what you think is wise... 

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49 minutes ago, drumbo said:

I think the wealthy want the poor to breed in great numbers since that would provide a large supply of surplus labor which cannot do much beyond menial labor which drives down their wages.

It's an amusing perception. Do you have any  evidence to support it. For example, how many wealthy people did you interview to arrive at this conclusion?

52 minutes ago, drumbo said:

The wealthy wisely have fewer children which ensures the jobs which the wealthy tend to do will have a lower supply of candidates in the next generation, increasing their own earnings.

The wealthy have fewer children largely for two reasons: they no longer need to ensure sufficient numbers to support them in old age; they wish to use their wealth for their personal pleasure, not to support large numbers of offspring.

46 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

If you are innately smarter and more dominant it may actually be wise to avoid having too many bastard children lest you dilute your advantage by sharing your precious DNA.

I see you didn't get the e-mail about the evolutionary pressures to breed. :)

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5 minutes ago, Area54 said:

I see you didn't get the e-mail about the evolutionary pressures to breed. :)

I can only imagine, the address was wrong... 😉

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Prior to the pandemic,  poverty and inequality was hidden to some extent, the pandemic has really put this in the public eye,   a UBI could perhaps address issues such as food poverty,  allow people to buy basic IT kit the rest of us take for granted and kids could study on their own devices.   This in some cases, if they are not turned off from education will help kids achieve more in school , eat properly and produce better outcomes,  too many people of all ages seem to be falling through cracks in the system.

I am not working,  back in January I attended training for a Lego WeDo session for schools. The main which was mean tot take place in about June was cancelled due to the pandemic, and with that went my chance to network with teachers, and school staff and perhaps move in to paid employment.

People like me WANT to work,  the pandemic is making this far harder to get than normal.  

A UBI would be a real safety net for a lot of people, , at least it would give people a chance.

 

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