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I really need your input on this; who of these two individuals exerts the most force in Newtons judging by their attacks?

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Hello everyone! This is my first post about something that I can't really make heads or tails about and I would really appreciate any input or thoughts from you people! It concerns a manga called One Piece in which you have a lot of different characters with varying qualitites, and a big thing is to try to assign these individuals correct strength levels based on their showings. There are different variables that go into this, but in this case the question is solely in terms of their respective power outputs with their respective attacks with two different modes of action in this case: one is a guy named Vergo who uses a bamboo stick and uses blunt force (guess I cal call it concussive force for the purposes of this thread) to strike down his enemies, and the attack in question sends out a powerful shockwave; Zoro uses cutting (shearing force) with his swords, and the attack in question sends out a powerful air slash.

I am of the opinion that Vergo is the better of the two whereas the wide majority think Zoro has a better showing. I will try to explain all the factors and circumstances that go into this as best I can for you to get a better grasp of the situation to assess their different power levels. All this is provided that the author himself has a good idea of who of these two are the strongest and have done a rough estimate/calculation and all that's left for us is to come to a correct conclusion based on what we've seen.

Demon Bamboo, Vergo

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Fast forward to 2:44. Here Vergo with his bamboo stick breaks through his opponent's, Smoker, defence, destroys his weapon and crashes into his body, and just by swinging through with his bamboo, sort of the after effect of the attack itself, that carries enough force to dent a thick wall of what I would presume to be very high grade steel or reinforced concrete (in this world the engineering is very much similar to our own and this is a facility that houses radioactive material, hence why the walls would be built of such a high quality material; feel free to come with any ideas). The weapon of Smoker is hardened with the black stuff (same as Vergo's bamboo) by something called haki. Armament haki is a physical manifestation of one's willpower that one can use to harden one's own body or weapon. Smoker's weapon (a jitte) I would venture to say is as hard as very hardened steel, while Vergo who was described as having much better armament haki would have a much harder weapon than Smoker.

Now for you to better understand the context, here you might wonder why Smoker is, well, smoke? Smoker has a special ability called logia (which I'm sure some of you know is greek for element) which allows the user to completely alter their form into a natural element and manipulate it at will: the element being smoke in this case. As such he is intangible for the average Joe and they can try punch and throw stuff at him, but will just pass right thorugh him. That is to say that he is a normal human with muscles and all, with the only exception that he can turn into smoke (and back) at will.

However, this is all irrelevant as the application of armament haki nullifies all intangibility of logia users (hence why Vergo can hit him and in the end destroy him).

 

Now how durable is Smoker to begin with? We actually don't have a baseline for saying how physically durable this guy is really as outside of this battle, so here I am making as an assumption: that Smoker (based on his rank and overall portrayal - we'll roll with this one) is about 10-20% as durable as the fishman Hody Jones (a hybrid of whiteshark and human) takes a lot of beatings from this guy that destroys the midsection of this ship, Noah (yes as you can tell by now the authour likes throwing in biblical and other religious references). This is a ship that has been resting on the ocean floor 10,000m below sea level for over 800 years, having been able to fully withstands the 1000 atmospheric pressure of those depths (the wood here is a special kind of wood called Adam's woods, again a little biblical reference there) that is extremely hard and tough material, a vaunted material in the world of shipbuilding. The reason why Luffy, the protaginist here, is alive is because the ship is enveloped in a special kind of bubble that is able to withstand the outside water pressure, and as the bubble has been oxygenated they both can breath (as a fishman he can breath underwater, naturally, as well). Also, the protagonist is made of rubber, as such when you see him attack he uses the elasticity of the rubber as the means of attack, using Hooke's law and the springback effect to cause damage.

Fast forward to 2:20 where the attack begins

Hody Jones takes an insane amount of beating here (actually you see him floating out of the bubble but in the manga this does not happen in the manga, meaning that he was just lying in the rubble of this destruction and taking all this insane beating - and he could actually cling to his conscious some odd 30min later or so later). See here how much damage it has done to the ship on this panel here

Hody Jones remains conscious yet heavily damaged after this.

 

Now, working under the assumption that Smoker is about 10-20% as durable as Hody Jones, here Smoker's entire defence gets taken out by one blow and he is left squirming on the floor from Vergo's attack

Now an extremely important factor in all of this is this attack that precedes Vergo's fight with Smoker is this attack that Vergo tanks with his own durability

Now I'm sure you probably know what a counter shock is, ie the same thing as defibrillation, Medical Definition of countershock. : a therapeutic shock of electricity applied to a heart for the purpose of altering a disturbed rhythm (as in chronic atrial fibrillation) delivering a life-saving countershock within seconds of an arrhythmic episode

Now we know that extremely low currents can kill, and right about 12 miliamperes does you in if it goes through your heart which can induce a cardiac arrest. Law here can control his output of current in an extremely controlled manner with a clear intent to kill. This is a lethal dose of electicity applied to the heart (supposedly) yet Vergo doesn't die from this lol

The extremely impressive thing here is that we see an electrical arc being created; meaning that this attack is so high in electrical potential it actually ionises the air around Vergo and creates an arc blast, as in it causes the air to become conductive due to the strong electrical field he produces (same principle used for things such as plasma torch welding). The heat output of that thing is several thousands of degrees, but that's not the impressvie thing but the amount of current that is delivered into him. This is an insane feat to survive and I can guarantee few if any people should be able to survive from this, even by the standards of the One Piece world where you have a lot of strong people.

As such Vergo was one could argue mortally wounded from this attack and still kept going (he is a monster!) so his power and stamina was severely drained when performing that attack.

 

So now that you have everything you need to know to judge Vergo's feat, let's compare it to Zoro:

It is this clip I want you to look at

Here Zoro gets thrown and as such has imparted onto him incredible amounts of force needed to cut through this golem that is entirely made up of stone, as at 1:52 you can see there are sonic booms following in his trails, so he is going waay past the speed of sound here, such that with this momentum he actually lifts the golem from its waist (the golem is not symmetrically built, but it has been estiamted to be around 200m from the waist up where he cuts). But I don't think that's a fair comparison as Zoro actually gets help here, and you might also add (don't know if this is a valid argument  from a physics standpoint) that owing to his immense speed and the bernoulli's principle, the air resistance actually gets lowered above him such that he can better perform his cut. At any rate, he gets help here and Vergo had no momentum when he performed his attack. I'd really want to know your thoughts on this feat!

 

As such this is a better and the real comparison I wanted to make. Fast forward to 1:00 where he proceeds with attacking the Golem and here he makes a vertical cut that slices the Golem in two. This is by dint of his own strength with no help from outsiders, and here he sends out a powerful air slash that slices he 200m of rock in two!

So there we have it: A Vergo that is heavily wounded (let's say even mortally wounded) creates a powerful shockwave just from the after effect of his attack (the bulk of the force has been transferred and imparted onto damaging Smoker, where the denting is due to him just swinging through with the bamboo rather casually) that is strong enough to buckle and dent a thick layer of high-grade reinforced concrete

https://makeagif.com/gif/vice-admiral-smoker-vs-vergo-final-one-piece-hd-67-ql4GJJ

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A fully healthy Zoro who with his vertical air slash cuts through 200m of thick stone

https://gfycat.com/likablelavishblackwidowspider

 

In terms of pure strength output, I'd say Vergo with his full attack smashes through Zoro, but the majority of the fandom says Zoro busts through Vergo. I'm apparently in a clear minority, so I just wanted to see how people with no bias and merely objectively looking at this situation judge their respective feats all things considered. Would Vergo be able to match Zoro or does he in fact do better?

 

Appreciate all and any effort as this is a question I'm rally stuck on

 

Thanks!

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Kyros said:

In terms of pure strength output, I'd say Vergo with his full attack smashes through Zoro, but the majority of the fandom says Zoro busts through Vergo. I'm apparently in a clear minority, so I jsut wanted to see how people with no bias and merely objectively looking at this situation judge theirnrepsepctive feats all things considered. Would Vergo be able to match Zoro or does he in fact do better?

I've never seen a V carved with a sword, while a Z is practically ubiquitous. 

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6 minutes ago, joigus said:

Is this homework?

No lol,  this is not a homework :D I am a fan of this manga and I'm genuinely curious who is stronger of the two. I want some outside opinion on this

 

17 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

I've never seen a V carved with a sword, while a Z is practically ubiquitous. 

Sorry, I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you talking about shockwaves here? (I'm not familiar with those terminologies)

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11 minutes ago, Kyros said:

No lol,  this is not a homework :D I am a fan of this manga and I'm genuinely curious who is stronger of the two. I want some outside opinion on this

:D Sorry. I was joking. Have you ever heard of "willing suspension of disbelief"? IOW: Don't take fiction too seriously, or you're going to spoil all the fun for yourself.

For years I wasn't able to enjoy any of the Star Wars saga because I could hear the explosions, and I kept thinking "how come I can hear the explosions in a vacuum"?

It doesn't do any good to the fun. That's my opinion, anyway.

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16 minutes ago, joigus said:

:D Sorry. I was joking. Have you ever heard of "willing suspension of disbelief"? IOW: Don't take fiction too seriously, or you're going to spoil all the fun for yourself.

For years I wasn't able to enjoy any of the Star Wars saga because I could hear the explosions, and I kept thinking "how come I can hear the explosions in a vacuum"?

It doesn't do any good to the fun. That's my opinion, anyway.

Hehe yeah, as long as they take some liberties with the science in instances where you want to create more suspenseful moments, as with the battle at the Death Star how fun would it be if the laser never sounded ;)

But here I want to seriously debunk the notion that Zoro is so much more impressive as I don't think he is.Here if we compare the compressive vs tensile strength of materials, one can see how much more force it takes to crush or dent stone vs actually cutting it. Am I right?

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/compression-tension-strength-d_1352.html

Vergo unleashes an attack wherein all the torque and momentum is exerted onto damagin Smoker, and the result of him just following though his swing, that is enough to cause that amount of damage; Vergo has taken a counter shock and many hits before this, meaning he is extremely bad off at this point, again, perhaps even mortally wounded.

Mortally wounded Vergo dents a wall of reinforced conrete with his shockwave that's just a result of him following through with his swing vs Zoro cutting through 200m stone golem with his air slash.

You ask majority of people Zoro is the better, but I think they're seriosly underestimating Vergo. I'm not sure mysekf which is why I'm asking for outside opinions

 

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