zapatos Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, Kartazion said: But Jesus is a great prophet. No, he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, zapatos said: No, he wasn't. Okay. But why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teroko Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, MigL said: It would accomplish just as much. Well, if you think so, I vote for you to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 hours ago, ArandomTheorist said: Assuming there is a god Why would you eve assume that? Why not start: "Assuming there is an invisible pink flying unicorn ..." It just seems a bizarre assumption to start from. 5 hours ago, Kartazion said: You are talking about a men who is not a God. Whether he really lived or not. But Jesus is a great prophet. If he didn't exist, he can't have been any sort of prophet. Maybe you should read that other thread about whether he actually existed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, Strange said: If he didn't exist, he can't have been any sort of prophet. Maybe you should read that other thread about whether he actually existed or not. Sure. And this is for example, valid for each biblical character and prophet. But whether or not he existed in pulpit and bones does not change the fact that there is a God or not. I would not say the same for his influence, which made believers into Christian. But this is another subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Kartazion said: Sure. And this is for example, valid for each biblical character and prophet. But whether or not he existed in pulpit and bones does not change the fact that there is a God or not. I would not say the same for his influence, which made believers into Christian. But this is another subject. Right. But that is not what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Strange said: Right. But that is not what you said. What I said.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Kartazion said: What I said.? Memory problems? 6 hours ago, Kartazion said: But Jesus is a great prophet. Not if he didn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Strange said: Memory problems? Not if he didn't exist. Lol. But in the scriptures there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Kartazion said: Lol. But in the scriptures there is. There is what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Strange said: There is what? A story of a man whether he existed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kartazion said: A story of a man whether he existed or not. Stories, yes. But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Strange said: Stories, yes. But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet. This is turning into an English lesson. I'm voting for closure too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Strange said: But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet. With 'ifs' one could put Paris in a bottle. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, koti said: This is turning into an English lesson. Or one on logic. 13 minutes ago, Kartazion said: With 'ifs' one could put Paris in a bottle. I don't know what that means, but if you had said "If he existed he was a great prophet" then I would not have commented. But insisting that a probably mythical person "is" something is, essentially, false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, Strange said: I don't know what that means, ... As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world. 26 minutes ago, Strange said: But insisting that a probably mythical person "is" something is, essentially, false. This is precisely what the New Testament does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kartazion said: As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world. So is it "Paris in a bottle" or "remake the world" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, koti said: So is it "Paris in a bottle" or "remake the world" ? In France yes we say it like that "remake the world" https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si,_on_refait_le_monde But you also have the other, the 'international version' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si_on_mettrait_Paris_en_bouteille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Kartazion said: In France yes we say it like that "remake the world" https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si,_on_refait_le_monde But you also have the other, the 'international version' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si_on_mettrait_Paris_en_bouteille Fascinating. I couldn't have found a worse way to use this proverb than towards Strange's sentence: "if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet" Let me share my home language proverb with you as well, please check "on the internet" for translation: https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/wyżej_sra,_niż_dupę_ma Edited April 11, 2020 by koti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Kartazion said: As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world. This is precisely what the New Testament does. You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if Jesus was real; what matters is what you learn from him/her/them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, dimreepr said: what matters is what you learn from him/her/them... And it makes him a great prophet. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Kartazion said: And it makes him/her/them a great prophet. FTFY It doesn't matter who brings the message, just read it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 10 hours ago, ArandomTheorist said: 3. can the god even interact in our dimension Learn what a dimension is. It's not a plane of existence, or another realm. It has a scientific meaning. ! Moderator Note We've had enough calls for closure, so this really isn't a judgement call from a staff member who's involved, but I'm going to close this. This isn't a great topic for our format here, where we're looking for some trustworthiness behind the arguments we make. If you want to use your imagination to think about your gods, you should be able to find a site where the membership isn't actively trying to keep your feet on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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