Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Hi all some questions for the asteroid on April 30. According to NASA it will be 16 times further than the earth to the moon. 1- How can they know this for sure? 2- How do we know they are being honest with the distances? 3- are they the Only ones able to make these calculations? 4- Several news sites had articles that it would hit and this was secret info from NASA? 5- another site claimed that the Coronavirus was brought up to keep people isolated because of this asteroid to avoid mass panic, so how do we know what’s real vs fiction on this? These things make it hard to determine what is right dosent it? thank you -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: These things make it hard to determine what is right dosent it? If you provide some reference supporting your statements some memeber may take a look. And refute statements about any asteroid collision in the near future. There are lots of people around the globe trying their best to fight the virus and it's consequences. I do not se how posting this crap on a science site and trying to promote the spread conspiracy bull is helping. Edited March 28, 2020 by Ghideon added a small rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghideon said: If you provide some reference supporting your statements some memeber may take a look. And refute statements about any asteroid collision in the near future. I am trying to find the articles, I saw them a few weeks ago while I was suspended. i guess I am looking more for information on this specific asteroid, and how trajectory is calculated and how much can we trust those numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: 1- How can they know this for sure? By tracking its position over time and calculating the orbit. 17 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: 2- How do we know they are being honest with the distances? Why wouldn't they? But if you are going to doubt them (and every other observer tracking it) then you might as well assume the the whole world is fake. Everything is just an act put on to fool you, like The Truman Show. 18 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: 3- are they the Only ones able to make these calculations? No. 18 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: 5- another site claimed that the Coronavirus was brought up to keep people isolated because of this asteroid to avoid mass panic, so how do we know what’s real vs fiction on this? Because NASA (and other astronomers) are scientists. Why would you trust "another site"? What is this "other site"? 19 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: These things make it hard to determine what is right dosent it? No. If you search for "finding reliable scientific information" you can find lots of articles that will help you. (Of course, I can't guarantee all those will be reliable!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: 5- another site claimed that the Coronavirus was brought up to keep people isolated because of this asteroid to avoid mass panic, so how do we know what’s real vs fiction on this? We weren't going to tell you yet... but since you figured it out...just don't tell the others (there's still a small percentage in every country that aren't in on it) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: i guess I am looking more for information on this specific asteroid, and how trajectory is calculated and how much can we trust those numbers Which astroid you are looking for information about? I guess its 52768 1998OR2. 1: Look at ESA web as an alternative to NASA: http://neo.ssa.esa.int/search-for-asteroids?sum=1&des=52768 1998OR2 2: Click on orbit visualisation to get a simulation for the asteroid's orbit an distance from earth Now , if you do not trust ESA or NASA I guess you could buy a sufficiently large telescope to review the observations claimed by others. And/or learning the required math (or using a simulator) to verify that the observed trajectory will predict that 52768 1998OR2 safely passes earth without collision. But why bother? What reason is there to suspect that 52768 1998OR2 is dangerous? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ghideon said: Which astroid you are looking for information about? I guess its 52768 1998OR2. I had just come to the same conclusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(52768)_1998_OR2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 You seem to convince yourself of horrific outcomes for simple events, Bmpbmp1975. ( doomsdayscenariophobia ? ) Must be terrifying living in your world, so you probably don't leave the house much. Are we your only source of social interaction ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzkpfw Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: These things make it hard to determine what is right dosent it? People get emails from Nigerian Princes who are asking for a little money to help getting their vast money out of the country, in exchange for sharing that vast money. Some people send those "princes" money , get asked for more money; and in the end never see any of it again. Other people ignore and delete the spam, because they have working bullshit detectors. Your bullshit detector is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Suppose an asteroid was found that would totally wipe out humans on Earth, would that info get out? Could it be suppressed to avoid a long period of mass panic? Imagine living in a world were everybody knows there is only one month to live. 🥶 Edited March 29, 2020 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 46 minutes ago, Airbrush said: Suppose an asteroid was found that would totally wipe out humans on Earth, would that info get out? Could it be suppressed to avoid a long period of mass panic? Imagine living in a world were everybody knows there is only one month to live. 🥶 Besides pro astronomers on the case, I'm sure there's plenty of keen amateurs interested in them as well. It would be impossible to put a plug on it. Not that I think NASA or ESA would suppress anything. They are scientists, not politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) So this is real then? sorry fat fingered was I was typing. what I meant was so this is real then in your mind airbrush? Edited March 29, 2020 by Bmpbmp1975 -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Airbrush said: Imagine living in a world were everybody knows there is only one month to live. Maybe you should join a conspiracy forum, and save these kind of posts for that forum. we don't deal with imaginary topics here. They are inherently difficult to discuss. Just now, Bmpbmp1975 said: So this is real then? Yes. Go back to bed and cover your head with your pillow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbrush Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: ...what I meant was so this is real then in your mind airbrush? No, and I'm sorry to give you that impression. I was not clear that my question was merely a "what if?" Your subject just called the question to my mind. That means I went off topic. Sorry about that. Most people here believe the "bad news" could not be covered up by governments. The scientists would leak it out. 30 minutes ago, MigL said: Maybe you should join a conspiracy forum, and save these kind of posts for that forum. we don't deal with imaginary topics here. They are inherently difficult to discuss. I'm not speculating anything imaginary, I'm only asking an obvious question, how likely would we know if a major impact would happen? It seems the consensus here is that YES WE WOULD KNOW. If it was coming from near the sun, from the worst angle, we might not know until just hours or minutes before the impact. Edited March 29, 2020 by Airbrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 This was the edited version of the original particle I read https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/1249990/Asteroid-warning-NASA-tracks-4KM-killer-asteroid-hit-Earth-end-civilisation-asteroid-news/amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: This was the edited version of the original particle I read Perhaps you could do yourself a favor and use better sources when it comes to anything concerning science. Did you read all the corrections to the original they had to make? Protip: Accuracy and rigor should be the focus when reading about science, so don't choose popular entertainment formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Phi for All said: Perhaps you could do yourself a favor and use better sources when it comes to anything concerning science. Did you read all the corrections to the original they had to make? Protip: Accuracy and rigor should be the focus when reading about science, so don't choose popular entertainment formats. It was an article that popped up on facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: This was the edited version of the original particle I read The Express is not the worst tabloid in the UK. But I certainly wouldn't use it as a source of reliable information. Why not? Because it is a British tabloid. 1 hour ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: It was an article that popped up on facebook Also not renowned as a source of reliable or true information. It sounds like you are getting your news from sources that I would dismiss as being either completely untrue or extremely inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Airbrush said: Suppose an asteroid was found that would totally wipe out humans on Earth, would that info get out? Could it be suppressed to avoid a long period of mass panic? Imagine living in a world were everybody knows there is only one month to live. 🥶 ! Moderator Note That’s not the topic of this thread On 3/28/2020 at 3:16 PM, Bmpbmp1975 said: 5- another site claimed that the Coronavirus was brought up to keep people isolated because of this asteroid to avoid mass panic, so how do we know what’s real vs fiction on this? ! Moderator Note PSA to all: a reminder that we are not going to entertain conspiracy discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Regarding the original question On 3/28/2020 at 8:16 PM, Bmpbmp1975 said: How do we know they are being honest with the distances? Many organisations (an I guess also individuals with proper equipment and interest) try do discover, catalogue and track Near Earth Objects*. One such initiative is Spaceguard**. when an object is discovered potentially many individuals and organisations will know about the object before it is know if there is any danger due to the objects expected trajectory. My best guess is that since many are involved and have possibility to validate and confirm observations and calculations the chase that serious mistakes would slip through is reduced. Which on an abstract level apply to pretty much any area in science. (This also addresses (off topic) question about coverups; knowledge about the objects existence is likely widely spread before knowing if there is any danger or not.) *) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_object **) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceguard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ghideon said: when an object is discovered potentially many individuals and organisations will know about the object before it is know if there is any danger due to the objects expected trajectory. My best guess is that since many are involved and have possibility to validate and confirm observations and calculations the chase that serious mistakes would slip through is reduced. Which on an abstract level apply to pretty much any area in science. There is a system called The Astronomer's Telegram* where astronomers post information about their observations so other people can follow up and make their own observations. This is particularly important when there are things like a new supernova or black hole merger, so that multiple observatories (professional and amateur) can quickly look to gather as much information as possible. Astronomy is one of the few sciences where amateurs discover new objects and provide useful data from their observations. * http://www.astronomerstelegram.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 So the sizes I have seen is 2.1 km and some say 4km. whats thé actual size -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: So the sizes I have seen is 2.1 km and some say 4km. whats thé actual size Both of the sources provided in this thread, so far, say (about) 2.1 km. http://neo.ssa.esa.int/search-for-asteroids?sum=1&des=52768 1998OR2 http://www.minorplanet.info/PHP/generateOneAsteroidInfo.php?AstInfo=52768| I don't know who "some" are, but presumably they are wrong. Or perhaps have confused radius and diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Bmpbmp1975 said: So the sizes I have seen is 2.1 km and some say 4km. whats thé actual size ! Moderator Note Please get in the habit of citing your sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmpbmp1975 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, swansont said: ! Moderator Note Please get in the habit of citing your sources. Sorry this article said 4.1 km asteroid https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/1249990/Asteroid-warning-NASA-tracks-4KM-killer-asteroid-hit-Earth-end-civilisation-asteroid-news/amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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