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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.unilad.co.uk/life/straight-people-dont-exist-finds-new-study/amp/

Recent studies show that the eyes dilate when people watch male and female porn in all men and women, regardless of their orientation, which indicates sexual arousal.
It turns out all the bisexuals.
But how are studies that say that sexual orientation is not a choice;
Many factors influence sexual orientation, such as: genes, hormones, culture.
Sexual orientation is very stable and is unlikely to change.
Statistics say 90% of the heterosexual population.
How can this be understood?

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Is it true that no one is totaly straight?

What it is mean?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/03/14/no-one-actually-100-per-cent-straight-new-study-discovers-7386358/amp/

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Not related to this specifically, but science doesn't really say whether things are "true" or not.

The best we can say is that one or more studies have produced evidence to support a certain conclusion. The more studies there are that confirm that (and none completely disprove it) then we can be more confident in the accuracy of the idea. But, always in science, there is the possibility that new evidence will show previous ideas to be wrong.

So ...

11 minutes ago, arnold3000 said:

Is it true that no one is totaly straight?

... you have pretty much answered you own question: there is one study that indicates that this might be true (if the study's methods and results are confirmed by others)

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What it is mean?

Pretty much what it says in the article: "a new study, which found that people who identify as straight had a physical response to same-sex porn, with their eyes dilating involuntarily."

Does "eyes dilating involuntarily" mean "not straight"? Who knows.

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3 minutes ago, swansont said:
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Excuse me

but if all people are bisexual, why talk about the spectrum. Why, then, about 80 percent of people say that they are heterosexual and do not prey on any feelings for the same gender?

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5 minutes ago, arnold3000 said:

but if all people are bisexual, why talk about the spectrum. 

Is it easier to understand if you think about 100 people of the same gender, and how many of the others each person feels attracted to? Person 1 might be attracted to 4 of the others, Person 2 doesn't like any of them, Person 3 is attracted to half the group, and so on, along a spectrum of attraction. 

Normally, there would be fewer people at the extremes. The number of people in that group of 100 who have 0% attraction to the others, and the number who are attracted by 100% of the others should both be small. 

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11 hours ago, Phi for All said:

Is it easier to understand if you think about 100 people of the same gender, and how many of the others each person feels attracted to? Person 1 might be attracted to 4 of the others, Person 2 doesn't like any of them, Person 3 is attracted to half the group, and so on, along a spectrum of attraction. 

Normally, there would be fewer people at the extremes. The number of people in that group of 100 who have 0% attraction to the others, and the number who are attracted by 100% of the others should both be small. 

you want to say that 80 percent of heterosexuals in the world have sexual feelings for the same sex but just hide them?

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59 minutes ago, arnold3000 said:

you want to say that 80 percent of heterosexuals in the world have sexual feelings for the same sex but just hide them?

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Not sure about full on sexual attraction but definitely an appreciation for the other sex, if that makes sense.

I think if there was no stigma attached, a lot of people who describe themselves as heterosexual would be more open to bisexual relationships. Think of the Greeks or Romans. Homosexuality hasn't always been frowned upon. Seems like it comes and goes depending on the type of society we live in. 

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14 minutes ago, Curious layman said:

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Not sure about full on sexual attraction but definitely an appreciation for the other sex, if that makes sense.

I think if there was no stigma attached, a lot of people who describe themselves as heterosexual would be more open to bisexual relationships. Think of the Greeks or Romans. Homosexuality hasn't always been frowned upon. Seems like it comes and goes depending on the type of society we live in. 

what is mean:"Not Sure about full on sexual attraction but definitely an appreciation for the other sex, if that makes sense"?

That is, they will not have any sexual attraction to the same sex?

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Find them sexually attractive, but not necessarily want to have sex with them. I feel that way about some of the women I know (one of my Cousins if I'm being honest, but that's another thread).

I don't see why it people couldn't feel the same about the same sex.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Curious layman said:

Find them sexually attractive, but not necessarily want to have sex with them. I feel that way about some of the women I know (one of my Cousins if I'm being honest, but that's another thread).

I don't see why it people couldn't feel the same about the same sex.

 

 

many people said they were not attracted to the same gender, but studies show that heterosexual men are excited by watching other men porn, how can I understand?

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7 minutes ago, arnold3000 said:

but many men say that they are not sexually attracted to the same gender, but research shows that straight men are excited by watching other men’s porn, how do you understand?

Maybe some lie, maybe some don't really understand their own feelings, maybe being attracted to the same gender and getting excited by watching other men and having sex are not the same?

Just because someone feels excited watching something, doesn't mean they are instantly INTO that thing, in the real world. There is a large difference between reacting to seeing something, and doing it yourself. Although there probably is a subgroup of people that may not know they are homosexual/bisexual, or they feel moral disgust due to stigma/upbringing and therefore say they aren't sexually attracted? So many reasons.

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I think a lot of men lie due to social pressures. Even today saying your attracted to the same sex will result in a lot of negative responses. 

Maybe it's not so much men's porn, but more a natural response to seeing sex, a primeval desire within us. 

Edit- cross posted. Dagl1 says it much better than me.

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4 minutes ago, Curious layman said:

I think a lot of men lie due to social pressures. Even today saying your attracted to the same sex will result in a lot of negative responses. 

Maybe it's not so much men's porn, but more a natural response to seeing sex, a primeval desire within us. 

we can say that orientation is a choice and all people are bisexual, but what about the red-violet scale, the Kinsey scale, and the fact that sexuality is not a choice and is influenced by factors such as geniuses, hormones, and social factors?

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Choices are influenced by social factors, hormones and genetics... What about those things? Apparently what people like and dislike is out of there control. I don't get your questions, those scales are models for reality, they categorise people (and some people will probably fall not exactly in those categories anyway). What is your question? Do you find it weird that people may find other people or certain actions attractive/exciting, without them immediately being INTO them?

Your initial question went along the lines of: 90% of sexual orientation doesn't change, how come that many people find certain actions exciting. But those two things don't seem to be very relevant to each other? 

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I'm getting out of my depth here, but where do our views about what sexuality is come from and have they always the same throughout history. If this was the time of the Greeks I'm sure we'd have a different opinion about sexuality, would we even view homosexuality as being different to 'normal' sexual orientation. 

Note- I'm going to leave further comments to people more educated in these matters for now. It is a very interesting subject though. +1

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20 minutes ago, Dagl1 said:

Maybe some lie, maybe some don't really understand their own feelings, maybe being attracted to the same gender and getting excited by watching other men and having sex are not the same?

Just because someone feels excited watching something, doesn't mean they are instantly INTO that thing, in the real world. There is a large difference between reacting to seeing something, and doing it yourself. Although there probably is a subgroup of people that may not know they are homosexual/bisexual, or they feel moral disgust due to stigma/upbringing and therefore say they aren't sexually attracted? So many reasons.

the question is if if studies show that all people are bisexual, why then do many people say that they are not attracted to the same gender?

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1 minute ago, arnold3000 said:

the question is if if studies show that all people are bisexual, why then do many people say that they are not attracted to the same gender?

What studies show that all people are bisexual, also see my previous points... 
Being excited by other guys having sex and being bisexual don't have to be the same thing, but if you do define homo/bi-sexual (from a male perspective) as any excitement when watching other guys having sex. Then maybe the definition bisexual doesn't mean the same as 'being attracted to (also) the same gender'. Next to that, plenty of reason have been given (social stigma>moral disgust, people lying, people not knowing themselves well enough). If you don't find these reasons convincing, could you maybe tell us why you doubt those reasons? 

 

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15 minutes ago, Dagl1 said:

What studies show that all people are bisexual, also see my previous points... 
Being excited by other guys having sex and being bisexual don't have to be the same thing, but if you do define homo/bi-sexual (from a male perspective) as any excitement when watching other guys having sex. Then maybe the definition bisexual doesn't mean the same as 'being attracted to (also) the same gender'. Next to that, plenty of reason have been given (social stigma>moral disgust, people lying, people not knowing themselves well enough). If you don't find these reasons convincing, could you maybe tell us why you doubt those reasons? 

 

how can there be moral disgust, if everyone like it ?

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1 hour ago, arnold3000 said:

how can there be moral disgust, if everyone like it ?

Morals are greatly influenced by societal norms, western societies still have stigma surrounding homosexual acts/relationships (especially for men), therefore men may be into something, and at the same time feel morally disgusted, and therefore possibly tell themselves they don't really like whatever they are into. Or the moral disgust is stronger than the amount they like something (liking isn't a binary thing, you can like something more or less as well).

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2 hours ago, arnold3000 said:

the question is if if studies show that all people are bisexual, why then do many people say that they are not attracted to the same gender?

I would look at what the actual study says, rather than tabloid stories, before reaching any such conclusions.

I would be fairly confident that those stories are not an accurate reflection of the research.

One thing I would like to see is what control images were used: animals, animals having sex, trains, trains colliding, red trains, blue trains, houses, kittens, spiders, snakes, snakes eating kittens, kittens eating spiders, abstract patterns, food, raw food, cooked food, rotting food, and so on.

And then which of these elicited what response from the observers.

I don't want to say the research is not credible, but without some more reliable information I would not just accept that "all people are bisexual."

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1 hour ago, Dagl1 said:

Morals are greatly influenced by societal norms, western societies still have stigma surrounding homosexual acts/relationships (especially for men), therefore men may be into something, and at the same time feel morally disgusted, and therefore possibly tell themselves they don't really like whatever they are into. Or the moral disgust is stronger than the amount they like something (liking isn't a binary thing, you can like something more or less as well).

but straight people say that they are not excited by the male body and since childhood they have been attracted only to the female body. If they are not attracted to the male body, then how can they be beaten mostly with straight or bisexual people?

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The first article appears to be about this paper: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-48448-001 (which doesn't say anything like the headline of the artcile)

The second is about this guy: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Ritch+Savin-Williams but I can't see anything obviously relevant. He may be quoting figures from someone else's research (I don't get the impression he is an experimental psychologist). I guess you could read some of his many books if you want to know more.

So I don't think there is enough information to reach any sort of conclusion about the credibility of those articles. But, as with most tabloid reporting of science, I would not take them too seriously. In fact, I would probably ignore them until some proper information is available.

4 minutes ago, arnold3000 said:

but straight people say that they are not excited by the male body and since childhood they have been attracted only to the female body. If they are not attracted to the male body, then how can they be beaten mostly with straight or bisexual people?

We don't know they are. You are reading too much into inaccurate tabloid articles.

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31 minutes ago, Strange said:

The first article appears to be about this paper: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-48448-001 (which doesn't say anything like the headline of the artcile)

The second is about this guy: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Ritch+Savin-Williams but I can't see anything obviously relevant. He may be quoting figures from someone else's research (I don't get the impression he is an experimental psychologist). I guess you could read some of his many books if you want to know more.

So I don't think there is enough information to reach any sort of conclusion about the credibility of those articles. But, as with most tabloid reporting of science, I would not take them too seriously. In fact, I would probably ignore them until some proper information is available.

We don't know they are. You are reading too much into inaccurate tabloid articles.

could it be said that heterosexual people have no sexual attraction to other men but there is some other attraction and the pupils expand from this?

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