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What say you smarty pants?

I was way into the impossible em drive, smoked a huuuuge bowl and discovered the basic idea.

If the hypotenuse of a right triangle is open for charge carriers to be free, force applied to the system from the hypotenuse can be negated due to it not being physically attached. If 2 "circuits" are combined at the adjacent leg, the force on each of those legs is cancelled out in the system. What's left is force on the opposite legs.

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Moved to Speculations. Please support your claims with evidence or mathematics.

 

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6 minutes ago, Strange said:
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Moved to Speculations. Please support your claims with evidence or mathematics.

 

FORCE ON A CURRENT CARRYING WIRE.

ITS CALLED THE LORENZ FORCE.

I honestly need to put it down? Can you not read or reference it yourself? I don't need to back up a WELL KNOWN CALCULATION STRANGE.

grow up.

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1 hour ago, DandelionTheory said:

smoked a huuuuge bowl

Reducing the smoking may allow for clearer drawings to be provided?

 

1 hour ago, DandelionTheory said:

What's left is force on the opposite legs.

What force is required to accelerate the "free ions"? What does the math say once that is taken into account?

 

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6 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

 

What force is required to accelerate the "free ions"? What does the math say once that is taken into account?

 

Not for accelerating free ions.

FORCE ON CURRENT CARRYING WIRE

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4 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

FORCE ON A CURRENT CARRYING WIRE.

ITS CALLED THE LORENZ FORCE.

I honestly need to put it down?

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If someone asked their teacher how an electric motor worked and the teacher replied "LORENTZ FORCE, DUMMY", the student would probably not find that very helpful.

Perhaps you could show exactly how the Lorentz force applies in the case of your diagram, and what the result is.

On the other hand, if you prefer not to follow the rules, we can just close this thread.

 

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4 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

Not for accelerating free ions.

Then just show the calculations that predict there is a net force on the rig in the drawing.

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8 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

Then just show the calculations that predict there is a net force on the rig in the drawing.

I did, with little blue F's

11 minutes ago, Strange said:
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If someone asked their teacher how an electric motor worked and the teacher replied "LORENTZ FORCE, DUMMY", the student would probably not find that very helpful.

Perhaps you could show exactly how the Lorentz force applies in the case of your diagram, and what the result is.

On the other hand, if you prefer not to follow the rules, we can just close this thread.

 

So how are ideas shared?

Is it with words and numbers? Can I use reference?

It's condescending to tell me to reference something when I referenced it. I would like some support communicating with you, but I'm having trouble. Do I really need to kiss you? Do I have to ask directly or do you just delete people that have trouble communicating?

Bro get up, get your big boy pants on and teach me.

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1 hour ago, DandelionTheory said:

If the hypotenuse of a right triangle is open for charge carriers to be free, force applied to the system from the hypotenuse can be negated due to it not being physically attached.

Do you know that when charged particle accelerates (i.e. changes direction of flight) it emits photons ? So electrons from your example will be emitting photons on each corner of your triangle and losing their kinetic energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron_radiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron_radiation

 

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5 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Do you know that when charged particle accelerates (i.e. changes direction of flight) it emits photons ? So electrons from your example will be emitting photons on each corner of your triangle and losing their kinetic energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron_radiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron_radiation

 

Man that would suck if they weren't in a circuit.

Yet.....

Maybe, maybe if it was in a vacuum.

Look at current direction.

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17 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

I did, with little blue F's

Those little blue F's are just blue arrows. Not calculations.

How does the charged particles ("free ions") follow a straight line when there is a magnetic field?

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Electric field potential.

Just now, Ghideon said:

Those little blue F's are just blue arrows. Not calculations.

How does the charged particles ("free ions") follow a straight line when there is a magnetic field?

 

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5 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

Maybe, maybe if it was in a vacuum.

CERN & LHC suffer from such radiation. And it happens in one of the best vacuum human can create.. Because it has nothing to do with collisions with atoms present in the air! Did you read links that I gave?

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Just now, Sensei said:

CERN & LHC suffer from such radiation. And it happens in one of the best vacuum human can create.. Because it has nothing to do with collisions with atoms present in the air! Did you read links that I gave?

You don't understand what I'm doing, first understand what I'm saying then you can maybe do something about correcting it.

What happens to each current-carrying wire?

the total force on each current-carrying wire is in the positive y direction.

3 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

Those little blue F's are just blue arrows. Not calculations.

How does the charged particles ("free ions") follow a straight line when there is a magnetic fiel

Some vector directions cancel out.

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2 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

You don't understand what I'm doing, first understand what I'm saying then you can maybe do something about correcting it.

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If you don’t start explaining yourself (instead of blaming others) and showing the calculations of the forces, then this thread will be closed. 

 
42 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

So how are ideas shared?

Is it with words and numbers? Can I use reference?

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Yes, some mathematics would be good. And more words. 

 

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4 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said:

the total force on each current-carrying wire is in the positive y direction.

Can you show a complete set of calculations, not just a formula? If you have a total force on current carrying wires then there is an opposite and equal force somewhere else in the rig or you are ejecting particles or radiations somewhere. Can you show calculations for conservation of momentum?   

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2 hours ago, Strange said:
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If you don’t start explaining yourself (instead of blaming others) and showing the calculations of the forces, then this thread will be closed. 

 
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Yes, some mathematics would be good. And more words. 

 
 
in the attached picture i attempt to show the force I'm working with.
The idea is to exploit the force on AB.
although the currents in the example DO NOT CREATE A CIRCUIT, they show the force im working with. 
IF, the circuit were to be closed with a wire from D to C, the  total force on DC would cancel out the total force on AB.
also,
We find the magnetic field vector direction by using the right hand rule. Because the current vector is inline with the writing surface, the magnetic field vector is represented as an X for into the surface and O for the vectors outward direction.
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2 hours ago, Ghideon said:

Those little blue F's are just blue arrows. Not calculations.

How does the charged particles ("free ions") follow a straight line when there is a magnetic field?

Magnetic fields at 90 angles from an ions velocity vector do something curly to its path, but still follow electric field lines.

2 hours ago, Sensei said:

CERN & LHC suffer from such radiation. And it happens in one of the best vacuum human can create.. Because it has nothing to do with collisions with atoms present in the air! Did you read links that I gave?

not talking about radiation. im talking about magnetic fields acting on currents in wires and free ions. change your drugs bro.

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On 11/9/2019 at 2:43 AM, DandelionTheory said:

not talking about radiation. im talking about magnetic fields acting on currents in wires and free ions.

If you choose to neglect important concepts the result will be incorrect. For instance finding a net force on the rig when there is no such net force.

What happens to the current at points C, D and E? 

 

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