Eise Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Wulphstein said: You think physics will refute first principles of things including substance, cause, time and space? I think in 500 years, people like Eise will have to grudgingly live with metaphysics as being highly integrated into technology. You exactly make my point. When what you now call 'metaphysics' leads to technology, then this 'metaphysics' will have turned into physics. 21 hours ago, dimreepr said: 23 hours ago, Eise said: What you call metaphysics will be physics by then. Or refuted by it... There's no reason to assume that... Do you agree now? With his remark about technology Wulphstein made pretty clear what he thinks about 'metaphysics'. Further, Wulphstein, I am still waiting for your reaction on my arguments in this posting. 4 hours ago, dimreepr said: 11 hours ago, Wulphstein said: It would be a better life if we could have a profound thought without someone disparaging it for fun. The profundity of your thoughts are not for you to decide. Exactly. Profound feelings may be subjective (e.g. the awe you feel when hearing a beautiful piece of music, or are in a sublime landscape). But a thought, when it claims not be just subjective, is open to scrutiny by others. 2 hours ago, Wulphstein said: It sounds like you're claiming the right to disparage someone's profound experience to satisfy.... As long as you do not distinguish between the experience, and the objective truth that it possibly contains (or not) you will feel this way. 1 hour ago, Wulphstein said: What are we allowed to say about consciousness that is within the rules of this forum? Pretty much, I think, you are in the philosophy section. Personally however, I think you should give arguments, why your profound 'thoughts' should be valid for others. Otherwise your thoughts are just descriptions of how you experience the world. There is nothing wrong with telling us, but without arguments that might be valid for others, your 'thoughts' contain no truth-claim, and therefore have nothing to do with philosophy and even less with science. 1 hour ago, dimreepr said: BTW 4 negs in a row for no reason is bad form, Yes. Therefore I compensated them for you . Giving negative reputation points, just because one does not agree with a posting, is bad practice. But if somebody trolls, repeats the same argument ad nauseam, yells, gives very bad arguments, or offends other posters, then neg reps are justified. Edited August 11, 2019 by Eise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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