Wulphstein Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Strange said: Of course. What about the hallucination example cited by Eise. Or the voices heard by schizophrenics (and others)? They don't have any objective reality but seem completely real to the sufferer. What about optical illusions where we see two things as being different colour when they are the same, or see lines as curved when they are not, and on and on. You remind me of a conversation I had with a friend at work, very talented kid. He has an uncle who is schizophenics, experiences hallunications of the wall telling him things about his wife, the turn out to be true. I do look at schizophenics as people who probably have certain sensitives open, and they pick up "information" . 11 minutes ago, Eise said: It doesn't have to. But as Strange already notices a lot of people like to understand their world and themselves. I belong to these kind of people. Besides the intense scientific growth, I am fascinated by, and love to listen to, people who are developing skills related to Astral projection, lucid dreaming, and those skills. The experiences themselves are very rich and beautiful to hear about. Evidence is also nice when it does happen. 16 minutes ago, Eise said: It is very comforting 'to know' there is a fire ladder when the building burns. Except that objectively there does not exist one, it was just your gut-feeling. When the fire breaks out, it would have been good for you to know you shouldn't have gone that way to escape the fire. I've never been comforted by fire ladders. 21 minutes ago, Eise said: Me neither, but in a different way you do. Physical reality is able to produce such beautiful things like galaxies, paintings, music and humans. The problem is that some of these (except maybe galaxies), cannot be understood from their basic building blocks. Even the essence of certain things is independent from the exact way it is implemented in the physical world. A house is a house, but it can built it with concrete or wood. Being human, however I agree that our essence is not that we are built up of matter: it lies in the ways processes take place in this matter. And to know these, both from the inside (studying my own mind) as from the outside (science) might be the best way to live a balanced life: accept what just is so, change what can be changed, and the wisdom to distinguish between the two (paraphrasing I think an Irish prayer). 25 minutes ago, Eise said: Yes, you are afraid to leave your comfort zone. And the closed mind is yours, and is exactly what I named it here: your comfort zone. But be sure, nobody got enlightened by staying in their comfort zone. It is, to use another dangerous word, not very spiritual not to accept ideas because you do not like them. You think I live in a comfort zone? I wish I did. Truth be told, I live in an uncomfort zone. It is just not my lot in life to be comfortable. The result is that I will say things and do things that I hope will have an impact, even if that means locking horns with others, even if saying what needs to be said makes me unpopular. You can tell by my score that I am unpopular. I have really irritated some people on this forum because what I had to say was important. But you think I live in a comfort zone. I would love to live in one. 29 minutes ago, Eise said: Physical reality is the ocean. And the truth at the bottom of the mind might be emptiness. As practicing Zen Buddhist, I think that would be the last truth (not experienced myself, therefore 'I think' and not 'I know'). Which you of course you do not like, and therefore you refuse to accept reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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