Yuri Bezmenov

[Samantha Priss]

Yuri Bezmenov was a KGB agent who defected to Canada in the 70s. In the 80s he gave a series of talks and lectures on KGB intelligence methods. Notably he claimed that most work was not secret gathering, but developing people in Western countries who could unwittingly assist in a subversion program. These were usually people in higher education, the intention was to train the next generation in ideas that would bring about "demoralisation" of the West, so that further influence and control could be leveraged. How credible is the theory that a Soviet style conspiracy has gripped Western academia? Bezmenov warned in the 80s that the West did not have much time to reverse the trend. I am not aware of any reversal of trends.

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ED GRIFFIN: Well, you spoke before about "ideological subversion" and that's a phrase that I'm afraid some Americans don't understand. When the Soviets use the phrase "ideological subversion" what do they mean by it?

YURI BEZMENOV: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate and open. You can see it with your own eyes.... It has nothing to do with espionage. 

I know that intelligence gathering looks more romantic.... That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first stage being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism. 

The result? The result you can see -- most of the people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems. You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.

In other words [for] these people the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.

ED: And yet these people who have been programmed and as you say [are] in place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept - these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country?

YURI: Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will see in [the] future what the beautiful society of EQUALITY and social justice means in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be very unhappy [and] frustrated people, and Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously they will join the [ranks] of dissenters; dissidents. Unlike the present United States there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America. [Now] you can get popular like Daniel Elsburg and filthy rich like Jane Fonda for being a dissident [and] for criticizing your Pentagon. In [the] future these people will simply be [he makes a squishy noise] squashed like cockroaches for criticizing the government. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful [and] noble ideas of EQUALITY. This they don't understand and it will be the greatest shock for them, of course.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

2. The next stage is destabilization.... It only takes 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation. This time what matters is essentials; economy, foreign relations, [and] defense systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some... sensitive areas such as defense and [the] economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast. Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system train another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime. False. United States is in a state of war; undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war is not Comrade Andropov of course - it's the system. However, ridiculous it may sound, [it is] the world Communist system, or the world Communist conspiracy. Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot. If you're not scared by now, nothing can scare you.

ED: Okay, so what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American people?

YURI: Well, the immediate thing that comes to mind is, of course, there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in the spirit of REAL patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain [to] them the real danger of socialist, communist, welfare state, Big Brother government.... The moment at least part of [the] United States population is convinced that the danger is real, they have to FORCE their government, and I'm not talking about sending letters, signing petitions, and all this beautiful, noble activity, I'm talking about FORCING [the] United States government to stop aiding Communism.... and it is very easy to do; no credits, no technology, no money, no political or diplomatic recognition...

 

 

Here's a video of one of his talks:

Not sure if I posted this in the right section or if this is for current events.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Samantha Priss

[Sensei]

32 minutes ago, Samantha Priss said:

Notably he claimed that most work was not secret gathering, but developing people in Western countries who could unwittingly assist in a subversion program.

That's nothing unusual.. e.g. if spy is gaining high rank at some administration he/she can order subordinate officers to do something which is actually not for government they think they are working for, but for government, the spy is working for. Higher rank officer ("spy") takes results of their job, and sends to his/her true gov, without revealing task and results to gov.. Officers are thinking they did job for their country, while they did job for foreign country..

...I love to talk with such spies.. it's kinda hilarious..

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Sensei

[Samantha Priss]

8 minutes ago, Sensei said:

That's nothing unusual.. e.g. if spy is gaining high rank at some administration he/she can order subordinate officers to do something which is actually not for government they think they are working for, but for government, the spy is working for. Higher rank officer ("spy") takes results of their job, and sends to his/her true gov, without revealing task and results to gov.. Officers are thinking their did job for their country, while they did job for foreign country..

...I love to talk with such spies.. it's kinda hilarious..

Sure but the point is the task that these recruits are doing. Usually one thinks of spying as stealing secrets. These recruits are in media and academia and are recruited to push Marxist propaganda.

[Sensei]

3 minutes ago, Samantha Priss said:

These recruits are in media and academia and are recruited to push Marxist propaganda. 

...any true examples of such propaganda in the Western medias.. ?

e.g. links to articles supporting your hypothesis/conjecture..

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Sensei

[Samantha Priss]

5 minutes ago, Sensei said:

...any true examples of such propaganda in the Western medias.. ?

I can think of Western media and academia pushing equality ideas, yes. You didn't notice? After the failure of economic Marxism in the West they switched to cultural and racial Marxism, which seems to have successfully eroded the West. I guess we're in the "erasure" stage if Bezmenov had such a thing.

“”It takes from fifteen to twenty years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words Marxist-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counter-balanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism. “”The result? The result you can see. Most of the people who graduated in the sixties, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them. You cannot get rid of them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black. You cannot change the basic perception and illogical behavior. In other words, these people, the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another twenty or fifteen years to educate a new generation of patriotically-minded and, and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.

“”Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will see the future, what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means in practice. Obviously, they will revolt. They will be very unhappy, frustrated people. A Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. They obviously will join the leagues of dissenters, dissidents. Unlike in present United States, there will be no place for dissent in future MarxistLeninist America. Here you can, you can get popular, like Daniel Ellsberg, or filthy rich, like Jane Fonda, for being dissident, for criticizing your Pentagon. In future these people will simply be squashed like cockroaches. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful, noble ideas of equality. This they don’t understand. And will be greatest shock for them, of course.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Samantha Priss

[Sensei]

....so treating "black Americans"/"Afro-Americans" like equal to white man.. is result of USSR secret spies Marxist-Leninist propaganda.... ? Astonishing thought...

Going your way of thinking Jesus is also "Marxist-Leninist spy", when I said "love your neighbor as yourself"..

 

[Samantha Priss]

23 minutes ago, Sensei said:

....so treating "black Americans"/"Afro-Americans" like equal to white man.. is result of USSR secret spies Marxist-Leninist propaganda.... ? Astonishing thought...

Going your way of thinking Jesus is also "Marxist-Leninist spy", when I said "love your neighbor as yourself"..

There's a difference between treating people kindly and treating them equally. Sure, I think Franz Boas had connections to the Soviets didn't he? He's really at the root of modern academic racial-Marxism.

[dimreepr]

56 minutes ago, Samantha Priss said:

....so treating "black Americans"/"Afro-Americans" like equal to white man.. is result of USSR secret spies Marxist-Leninist propaganda.... ? Astonishing thought...

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do we?

1 hour ago, Sensei said:

Going your way of thinking Jesus is also "Marxist-Leninist spy", when I said "love your neighbor as yourself"..

really, why?

[Bufofrog]

2 hours ago, Samantha Priss said:

The result? The result you can see. Most of the people who graduated in the sixties, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of power in the government,

Are you talking about the President of the United States?  Is that why he believes Putin over the US intelligence services?  

Hmmm, you may have a point!