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I saw a video that was 'sponsored' and posted to my timeline on FB.   Anyone else get it?  It was a little frightening that people will buy into this view. There was a posh student from the UK explaining how socialism has failed in every country that it has been tried in.  It particularly made the recent problems in Venezuela a direct result of socialism failing. It listed many countries - including most of Europe where socialism has supposedly failed.  

Although the guy was English - I looked up the sponsored site and they were from the USA (as I had guessed they would be) - it was clearly a message direct from the Trump administration.  Is this out of the Trump administration officially?  Are they trying to kill socialism off for good elsewhere around the globe?  For what reason? Is this a prelude to Trumps WWIII campaign against socialist countries? I guess before he can go to war with a country for being socialist he would need to brainwash enough people of the world to convince them that it is evil.

I pay my taxes - and in exchange I expect heathcare, pension and public services.  If they need more I'll happily take a small increase on my tax to cover it. I do not agree with education, heathcare and food for the rich only. If that makes me a socialist then so be it.

 

Anyone out there else get this USA sponsored video advertisement in their social media feeds warning against the evils of socialism?

 

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6 minutes ago, DrP said:

Is this out of the Trump administration officially?  Are they trying to kill socialism off for good elsewhere around the globe?  For what reason?

Broad brush strokes: 2020 election is coming up. Trump will be seriously challenged by Democrats. They're laying the groundwork to paint all democrats as evil socialists who hate freedom, hate business, and who want runaway inflation like Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or whatever other boogeyman resonates with the focus groups. It's to gin up fear, much like the border "crisis" and caravans we heard so much about in the 2018 midterms.

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Just now, iNow said:

Broad brush strokes: 2020 election is coming up. Trump will be seriously challenged by Democrats. They're laying the groundwork to paint all democrats as evil socialists who hate freedom, hate business, and who want runaway inflation like Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or whatever other boogeyman resonates with the focus groups. It's to gin up fear, much like the border "crisis" and caravans we heard so much about in the 2018 midterms.

I think you are probably right. Why target people's FB feeds in the UK though?

 

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7 minutes ago, DrP said:

I think you are probably right. Why target people's FB feeds in the UK though?

Your guess is as good as mine, but we can't treat these targeted propaganda campaigns in a vacuum. The wedge issues and erosion of democratic ideals... the splits into us and them... is a global issue following similar playbooks. I could equally ask why I'm seeing stuff about Brexit in the US. It's because their algorithm has identified me as someone interested and potentially influenceable, regardless of my region. 

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Ugh likely just some of our many groups of wingnuts. We have many here who have convinced themselves that any form of even vague human decency will somehow harm them.

If you think about it even in terms of economic cost of having the populous in poor health or abusing ER and skipping on payment, this logic breaks down fast.

I know PragerU which is unsurprisingly not a University was doing something similar here. They hope to brainwash us all. Hopefully doesn't get much traction.

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Just now, iNow said:

Your guess is as good as mine, but we can't treat these targeted propaganda campaigns in a vacuum. The wedge issues and erosion of democratic ideals... the splits into us and them... is a global issue following similar playbooks. I could equally ask why I'm seeing stuff about Brexit in the US. It's because their algorithm has identified me as someone interested and potentially influenceable, regardless of my region. 

I see your point - although this wasn't targeted at Americans - it was targeted directly at people in the UK and didn't mention the USA at all.

Is your brexit stuff just news or targeted opinion/propaganda?  I get the feeling Trump likes brexit and would be happy about a separation of the UK from the EU. It would make any war with the EU in the future much easier to get going and politically successful.  I hope I am wrong. It's ironic that that last war in Europe that involved the US was AGAINST a far right wing leader.  Now we have a far right leader attacking the system that we set up in place of what we once toppled.

Just now, Endy0816 said:

They hope to brainwash us all. Hopefully doesn't get much traction.

Hopefully  -  but some people such this shit up.  

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3 hours ago, DrP said:

Is your brexit stuff just news or targeted opinion/propaganda?  I get the feeling Trump likes brexit and would be happy about a separation of the UK from the EU. It would make any war with the EU in the future much easier to get going and politically successful.  I hope I am wrong. It's ironic that that last war in Europe that involved the US was AGAINST a far right wing leader.  Now we have a far right leader attacking the system that we set up in place of what we once toppled.

Not specific to your question, but in the US they bring up distorted views on Europe quite often. Refugees raping Germany, Sharia laws in the UK, no-go zones, the list goes on. What I think is that there is a loosely (probably informal) right-wing umbrella (Bannon has been building such a system, I doubt he is the only one) working to create these divisive issues (such as trying to rile up folks with "identity politics" or similar talking points). The interesting bit is that the thing seems to follow to a large extent the US playbook (socialism?? Soros???), which theoretically should not translate well into the European systems. Except that for some reasons they do.

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6 hours ago, DrP said:

- it was clearly a message direct from the Trump administration. 

How so?

6 hours ago, DrP said:

Is this a prelude to Trumps WWIII campaign against socialist countries?

No. 

6 hours ago, DrP said:

If that makes me a socialist then so be it.

It doesn't make you socialist. 

 

 

 

Before you give into fear and irrationality of that ad being a pre-lude of world war 3 or something, perhaps you should take a step back and think it through for a moment.

You're scared of a video explaining why primarily socialist countries are failing. Why? 

It seems like you've bought into the idea that just because someone opposes socialism makes them an evil capitalist nazi or something. I mean read what you've said. You already think of people who oppose socialism as only supporting healthcare, education, and food for the rich. Do you really have absolutely no idea what that's about?

 

5 hours ago, Endy0816 said:

I know PragerU which is unsurprisingly not a University was doing something similar here. They hope to brainwash us all. Hopefully doesn't get much traction.

Brainwashing conspiracies now? 

This is a forum of science, is it not?

5 hours ago, iNow said:

Your guess is as good as mine, but we can't treat these targeted propaganda campaigns in a vacuum. The wedge issues and erosion of democratic ideals... the splits into us and them... is a global issue following similar playbooks. I could equally ask why I'm seeing stuff about Brexit in the US. It's because their algorithm has identified me as someone interested and potentially influenceable, regardless of my region. 

The FB algorithm isn't so basic that it doesn't identify by region. It knows what country you're in. I've worked with it before, you can literally select states, regions, countries, or distances to a certain point for the ad to show.

6 hours ago, iNow said:

Broad brush strokes: 2020 election is coming up. Trump will be seriously challenged by Democrats. They're laying the groundwork to paint all democrats as evil socialists who hate freedom, hate business, and who want runaway inflation like Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or whatever other boogeyman resonates with the focus groups. It's to gin up fear, much like the border "crisis" and caravans we heard so much about in the 2018 midterms.

Come on iNow. You, as much as anyone, know's to fact check this stuff.

The advertisement was not sponsored by the Trump Administration in order to prepare for a 2020 election.

5 hours ago, DrP said:

Is your brexit stuff just news or targeted opinion/propaganda?  I get the feeling Trump likes brexit and would be happy about a separation of the UK from the EU. It would make any war with the EU in the future much easier to get going and politically successful.  I hope I am wrong. It's ironic that that last war in Europe that involved the US was AGAINST a far right wing leader.  Now we have a far right leader attacking the system that we set up in place of what we once toppled.

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There's no way you really think Trump is as far right as Nazi Germany was. That's just straight out insulting to millions of people who genuinely suffered and died under them for you to even compare it to that.

Additionally, you're way to paranoid about Trump planning some grand war or something.

You do realize we're still a democracy, and that you need to get the support of the president and congress to launch an offensive war in any meaningful manner?

 

You're about as bad as all the far right extremists in terms of fear mongering.

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23 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

The advertisement was not sponsored by the Trump Administration in order to prepare for a 2020 election.

I didn't make any claims about its source or sponsor. You may be conflating my comments with DrPs.  Since you have here made a claim about the source, maybe you can help me learn more by sharing who actually DID sponsor or share it? I'm source agnostic, but it would be cool to know where it came from.

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3 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

Brainwashing conspiracies now? 

This is a forum of science, is it not?

That's what they're trying to do. Gotta call it like it is.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Right-wing_media_groups#Must_runs

Tell people you are the only source of truth. Have the same stories coming at them from multiple seemingly independent sources. Find an enemy for them to feel united against.

Despite us all being descended from migrants, migrants are the problem... The Military, a large number of gun enthusiasts sworn to the constitution, is going to take power and seize everyone's guns... We know most of you are in some way benefiting from the ACA, stamps, medicaid or other programs, but these are the greatest threats to our way of life...

Even if we end up disagreeing, as long as you are thinking critically about who and why someone might be telling you something, you'll have made my day.

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5 hours ago, iNow said:

I didn't make any claims about its source or sponsor.

Sorry. I took you saying this:

12 hours ago, iNow said:

Trump will be seriously challenged by Democrats. They're laying the groundwork to paint all democrats as evil socialists who hate freedom, hate business, and who want runaway inflation like Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or whatever other boogeyman resonates with the focus groups.

As saying that Trump/his administration was laying groundwork.

 

 

5 hours ago, iNow said:

Since you have here made a claim about the source, maybe you can help me learn more by sharing who actually DID sponsor or share it? I'm source agnostic, but it would be cool to know where it came from.

Neptune's Teacup rears it's head again. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it was done by the Trump Administration.

Either way, why would Trumps administration be sponsoring ads for the UK? As I pointed out before, Facebook allows you to select your target demographic, and it won't show ads to someone outside the set region. So to me, that's enough to say it's not being sponsored by the Trump Administration.

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28 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

As saying that Trump/his administration was laying groundwork.

And indeed they are. He did it in the state of the union and in every speech since. That’s still different from the video referenced by DrP

29 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it was done by the Trump Administration.

I never claimed it was. Please see previous. 

30 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

So to me, that's enough to say it's not being sponsored by the Trump Administration.

Perhaps you’re correct. Does anyone know who DID sponsor it and where they got their money?

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13 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

There's no way you really think Trump is as far right as Nazi Germany was. That's just straight out insulting to millions of people who genuinely suffered and died under them for you to even compare it to that.

I doubt Hitler won the support of his people with a manifesto to kill Jews and invade the world.  He won them over with promises to put the Germans first and make the country great again. He bombarded them with propaganda and political lies that played to their fears and prides, he was a great and popular public speaker and they backed him joyfully. Germans aren't evil. American people are no better than English, Japanese, German people or anyone else. Is that what you think? That Americans are beyond such evil... like you are some kind of master race or something? 

He promised to take away your healthcare, build xenophobic walls to stop the poor from coming across the border to work, 'make America great again' (meaning - taking your country back 60 to 80 years politically and morally), stir up trouble in foreign countries, blanket ban on targeted minorities, bomb places from snap emotional decisions, cancel working peace treaties, cancel schemes that protect environmental issues globally, vilifies the free press, shuns education, boasts openly about grabbing women and has bankrupted business after failed business - and y'all voted him to the most powerful office in the world - well done America! ffs.  

 

6 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

Either way, why would Trumps administration be sponsoring ads for the UK?

Why would Putin sponsor fake news feeds in the US and the UK? We KNOW Trump isn't a fan of socialism - has he revoked that Obamah care yet? that was his plan, no? To take away the health care from the poor that the previous pres put in place.  I didn't say it was from Trump... but it came sponsored out of the USA and stank of the filthy rich cuntish elitism that he spouts.

 

13 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

Before you give into fear and irrationality of that ad being a pre-lude of world war 3 or something, perhaps you should take a step back and think it through for a moment.

OK - It's not the prelude to wwiii - but it is the thin end of cunty rich elitist wedge. The fat end of the wedge holds many horrific possibilities.

 

13 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

It doesn't make you socialist.

of course it does   -  anyone in their right mind who has any heart at all is. Socialism isn't communism, regardless of what your supreme leader tells you think.

 

Lets hope it all works out fine though eh?

 

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3 hours ago, DrP said:

I doubt Hitler won the support of his people with a manifesto to kill Jews and invade the world.  He won them over with promises to put the Germans first and make the country great again. He bombarded them with propaganda and political lies that played to their fears and prides, he was a great and popular public speaker and they backed him joyfully. Germans aren't evil. American people are no better than English, Japanese, German people or anyone else. Is that what you think? That Americans are beyond such evil... like you are some kind of master race or something? 

He promised to take away your healthcare, build xenophobic walls to stop the poor from coming across the border to work, 'make America great again' (meaning - taking your country back 60 to 80 years politically and morally), stir up trouble in foreign countries, blanket ban on targeted minorities, bomb places from snap emotional decisions, cancel working peace treaties, cancel schemes that protect environmental issues globally, vilifies the free press, shuns education, boasts openly about grabbing women and has bankrupted business after failed business - and y'all voted him to the most powerful office in the world - well done America! ffs.  

 

Why would Putin sponsor fake news feeds in the US and the UK? We KNOW Trump isn't a fan of socialism - has he revoked that Obamah care yet? that was his plan, no? To take away the health care from the poor that the previous pres put in place.  I didn't say it was from Trump... but it came sponsored out of the USA and stank of the filthy rich cuntish elitism that he spouts.

 

OK - It's not the prelude to wwiii - but it is the thin end of cunty rich elitist wedge. The fat end of the wedge holds many horrific possibilities.

 

of course it does   -  anyone in their right mind who has any heart at all is. Socialism isn't communism, regardless of what your supreme leader tells you think.

 

Lets hope it all works out fine though eh?

 

You do realize you are using terms that are derogatory towards women? I realize you are not directing it toward women, so perhaps you are not making the connection?

Or maybe it is gender neutral now in the UK?

http://time.com/24990/how-a-bunch-of-c-words-got-into-the-oxford-english-dictionary/

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6 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

You do realize you are using terms that are derogatory towards women?

It took me quite a while to work out what you were referring to... but I see it now.  I rarely use the word  -  but wanted in this case to use the most offensive word I know.  I do apologise sincerely - I didn't even consider that it would be offensive to women... Although offense was intended to the bunch of selfish '[insert most offensive word here that offends the target only but not any other group]' that would consider it good, just and right that the poor go without and the rich are entitled.  I'm not talking about hard earned luxuries - I'm talking about basic human needs .  Although! - I would like to point out that any individual offended by the language has TOTOALLY missed my point.

 

 

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Just now, DrP said:

It took me quite a while to work out what you were referring to... but I see it now.  I rarely use the word  -  but wanted in this case to use the most offensive word I know.  I do apologise sincerely - I didn't even consider that it would be offensive to women... Although offense was intended to the bunch of selfish '[insert most offensive word here that offends the target only but not any other group]' that would consider it good, just and right that the poor go without and the rich are entitled.  I'm not talking about hard earned luxuries - I'm talking about basic human needs .  Although! - I would like to point out that any individual offended by the language has TOTOALLY missed my point.

 

 

Thanks.

I wasn't offended. I was surprised you used the term until I found the link. It seems it is offensive yet acceptable on your side of the pond.

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23 hours ago, DrP said:

I see your point - although this wasn't targeted at Americans - it was targeted directly at people in the UK and didn't mention the USA at all.

Is your brexit stuff just news or targeted opinion/propaganda?  I get the feeling Trump likes brexit and would be happy about a separation of the UK from the EU. It would make any war with the EU in the future much easier to get going and politically successful.  I hope I am wrong. It's ironic that that last war in Europe that involved the US was AGAINST a far right wing leader.  Now we have a far right leader attacking the system that we set up in place of what we once toppled.

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The far left is just as the destructive. Smart and cynical is never the ideal.

what cynic ever forgives?

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14 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

what cynic ever forgives?

This is what the Christians get right  imo -  you have to let stuff go and forgive.  You can forgive someone for flicking you in the eye with a riding crop... but it is harder to do so when they do it over and over whilst you are still trying to forgive them for the first blow.

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1 minute ago, DrP said:

This is what the Christians get right  imo -  you have to let stuff go and forgive.  You can forgive someone for flicking you in the eye with a riding crop... but it is harder to do so when they do it over and over whilst you are still trying to forgive them for the first blow.

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This is where you missed the point. There is no limit...

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Just now, dimreepr said:

This is where you missed the point.

I don't think I missed your point. It did make me think about my own cynicism and self reflect a bit. 

Just now, dimreepr said:

There is no limit...

I didn't say there should be a limit I said it was difficult. Some things are harder to let go of than others no? For example -  It is a lot easier to forgive an accidental step on your toe than it is to forgive the rape, torture and murder of your entire family whilst the offender remains unrepentant and stands in front of you taunting you telling you he enjoyed it. There are varying degrees of difficulty for many different things.

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Just now, DrP said:

I don't think I missed your point. It did make me think about my own cynicism and self reflect a bit. 

I didn't say there should be a limit I said it was difficult. Some things are harder to let go of than others no? For example -  It is a lot easier to forgive an accidental step on your toe than it is to forgive the rape, torture and murder of your entire family whilst the offender remains unrepentant and stands in front of you taunting you telling you he enjoyed it. There are varying degrees of difficulty for many different things.

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 no less important if it's important.

but I forgive you.

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36 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

but I forgive you.

I'd already forgiven myself.  ;-) thanks though. 

36 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

no less important if it's important.

I never said it was  -  I said it was difficult and that there is a sliding scale of difficulty. That's twice you've either just misinterpreted me or added something I didn't say... you always try to get the last word too, which can be annoying if I am to be honest. :D...  that's alright though  -  I love and forgive you too. Keep making people think about stuff sir - keep up the good fight.  

 

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2 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Thanks.

I wasn't offended. I was surprised you used the term until I found the link. It seems it is offensive yet acceptable on your side of the pond.

'Cock'', 'Knob' and 'Dick' are used here in the same way, and they refer to male genitals, so it's all fair and square gender-wise.

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