rangerx 139 Posted February 7 In the case of Nixon and Watergate, it was the Republicans who finally put their foot down and insisted he resign. That could happen now, but sitting Republicans cower entrenched in self interest and accept no responsibility for anything whilst pointing fingers at everyone else. All distraction, zero resolution. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StringJunky 1989 Posted February 7 (edited) On 1/27/2019 at 9:59 PM, Raider5678 said: My personal expected option: - Trump gets to 2020, pockets the millions he's raised for a reelection campaign, doesn't run, and walks away from politics forever. .... To be detained at the leisure of the US justice system. If his past cohorts are heading that way, I think it's reasonable to think that he will too. Edited February 7 by StringJunky 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Cuthber 3550 Posted February 7 Trump's supporters didn't care that he's racist, His misogyny passed them by They put up with his dishonesty. The fact that he was elected on the back of Russian involvement is OK by them. They will accept that the economic damage of his wall was somehow the fault of Obama, or the Mexicans or whatever. In April, the end of year tax demands will arrive. They will see that he lied about cutting their taxes and his popularity will fall to somewhere between that of Hitler and dysentery. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J.C.MacSwell 269 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, StringJunky said: .... To be detained at the leisure of the US justice system. If his past cohorts are heading that way, I think it's reasonable to think that he will too. "Theses are great walls...really big walls...clearly they demonstrate I was right all along...you don't see anyone coming in over them...I accomplished more in 3 years than any President ever..in fact I already had after 2 years...it was a great victory...a really great victory as everyone knows... ...but enough about me...what do you think Hilary?" Edited February 7 by J.C.MacSwell 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rangerx 139 Posted February 7 (edited) 43 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: The fact that he was elected on the back of Russian involvement is OK by them. But Hillary had 3 classified notes on her personal email server that the Russians might have been able to access, yet Republicans called to lock her up. To a republican, the threat of something is worse than the act of the same, apparently. Edited February 7 by rangerx spelling 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Cuthber 3550 Posted February 7 They will ignore the emails issue until the cows come home. But if their tax bills go up, he's toast. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airbrush 180 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Cuthber said: Trump's supporters didn't care that he's racist, His misogyny passed them by They put up with his dishonesty. The fact that he was elected on the back of Russian involvement is OK by them. They will accept that the economic damage of his wall was somehow the fault of Obama, or the Mexicans or whatever. In April, the end of year tax demands will arrive. They will see that he lied about cutting their taxes and his popularity will fall to somewhere between that of Hitler and dysentery. Yes, all those things are just "Trump being Trump" to the 1/3 or Americans that are suckers for celebrity, and like a cartoon character, political Rambo. Russia doesn't matter because the Russians got their guy elected. They say thanks to Russia. You made an interesting point about Tax Time this year. By the end of April, his base, those 1/3 of Americans that still think he's cute, will wonder why they didn't save thousands of dollars? Remember how he boasted his tax plan was for the middle class, not the wealthy? "It's not good for ME, believe me!" Edited February 7 by Airbrush 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nod2003 4 Posted February 10 Not exactly an accurate cross section of the voting population on here is there. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iNow 5111 Posted February 10 32 minutes ago, Nod2003 said: Not exactly an accurate cross section of the voting population on here is there. Membership here does tend to be better educated and rational than the average voter, yes. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Cuthber 3550 Posted February 10 It's starting...https://wokesloth.com/tax-refunds-are-down-8-4-and-trump-supporters-are-freaking-out/stefan/?utm_content=buffer50501&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=thegoodlordabove&utm_campaign=bloomjoy&fbclid=IwAR0k2_zVNCtVfzM5Cu41vSb_qIa2vIAM8lozT_HSddYXyhjvmb6FrcnjLdU 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sensei 818 Posted February 10 (edited) On 1/27/2019 at 7:31 PM, Ten oz said: - Trump is removed from office via impeachment. This could happen before 2020 or during a second term should he make to 2020 and win a second term. - Trump resigns as part of a deal to avoid impeachment. Unlikely. That would require searching and finding evidences that he earned directly and/or indirectly on U.S. and worldwide stock markets (and/or commodity exchange) causing failure via Twitter etc. done on purpose.. He wouldn't pass lie-detector exam.. On 1/27/2019 at 7:31 PM, Ten oz said: - Trump resigns as part of a deal he works out to spare some combination of Ivanka, Kushner, Don Jr, Eric, or other associates from prosecution. - Trump resigns out of the blue. Just declares victory and states he has had enough of the fake media and crooked Washington Politicians. Unlikely. This is even silly to comment. On 1/27/2019 at 7:31 PM, Ten oz said: - A Republican challenger successfully beats Trump in the GOP primary following which Trump complains but doesn't file as an independent and simply isn't on the 2020 ballot. - A Republican challenger successfully beats Trump in the GOP primary following which Trump runs as an independent as loses. Unlikely. That would require superb personality.. That begs for statistics: how many times candidate from the same party replaced president from the same party in the history of U.S. ? (instead of second term of working president). Absolute number and percentage of the all cases. Per party. Please. On 1/27/2019 at 7:31 PM, Ten oz said: - A Democratic Candidate beats Trump in 2020 - A Third Party challenge wins in 2020 Quite likely. On 1/27/2019 at 7:31 PM, Ten oz said: - Trump wins and serves a full second term. Unlikely. That would require finding "tickets" for counter-candidate which would damage his/her reputation.. Edited February 10 by Sensei 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ten oz 937 Posted February 10 @Sensei there have already been more criminal indictments of Trump associates than there were of Nixon. Trump's former campaign manager was already been proven guilty in a court and Trump's personal attorney already pled guilty to multiple felonies. The Investigation into Trump's affairs by the House is only now starting in earnest as the previous majority in the House sought to protect Trump. Obama was POTUS for 8yrs and there were ZERO indictments. Trump has been in office 2yrs and there's been nearly a hundred. More people have been indicted under Trump than the last 5 Presidents combined. Trump's campaign broke the law. That is a fact which courts have already proven. That may or may not lead to a resignation or impeachment but both are possible. Neither a certainty but both possible. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sensei 818 Posted February 10 (edited) @Ten oz Just a side note. "Pleading guilty to crime" does not mean you made the crime for real. It's just a such lawyer's trick, widely overused now, that prosecutor gives you "opportunity" (!) that "you will plead guilty or else we will went to court which will just give you much higher punishment" (and you will spend a lot of money on attorneys, which will suck the all money from you during process, appeal, and reappeal). In communist country everybody "pleaded guilty" on tortures and/or after being "softened" in the jail. There are millions of people around the world who "plead guilty" while being in-guilty.. 1 hour ago, Ten oz said: That is a fact which courts have already proven. No, they didn't have chance, if there was agreement off the room.. Edited February 10 by Sensei 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ten oz 937 Posted February 10 11 minutes ago, Sensei said: @Ten oz Just a side note. "Pleading guilty to crime" does not mean you made the crime for real. It's just a such lawyer's trick, widely overused now, that prosecutor gives you "opportunity" (!) that "you will plead guilty or else we will went to court which will just give you much higher punishment" (and you will spend a lot of money on attorneys, which will suck the all money from you during process, appeal, and reappeal). In communist country everybody "pleaded guilty" on tortures and/or after being "softened" in the jail. There is millions of people around the world who "plead guilty" while being in-guilty.. No, they didn't have chance, if there was agreement off the room.. Manafort didn't plead guilty. Manafort was found guilty by a jury on 8 felony counts. If you are claiming that neither being found guilty by a jury or pleading guilty is proof one committed a crime you are basically saying a crime cannot be proved. What else is there besides guilty pleas and guilty verdicts? Also the Mueller investigation has a grand jury which reviews each indictment prior to it being issued. That is an additional step which doesn't exist in most criminal cases. We are also talking about very wealthy people who can afforded the best possible defense teams in the world. These aren't disenfranchised people being taken advantage of by prosecutors with a back log of thousands of other cases to get to. Let's take Michael Cohen's guilty plea to Federal Campaign Law violations for example. Cohen started a company, used company funds to pay an Adult film star $130,000, and Trump then reimbursed that company. All of that is indisputable. The adult star did receive the money, Cohen did start the company and make the payment, and even Trump's own attorney's admit he reimbursed the money. Per Federal Campaign Finance that is a crime. Everyone involves admits it happened and the money can be traced through the company. Where is the coercion by prosecutors you are alluding to? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iNow 5111 Posted February 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ten oz said: Obama was POTUS for 8yrs and there were ZERO indictments. Trump has been in office 2yrs and there's been nearly a hundred. It’s even worse than this when we focus more broadly away from the individuals and instead to the parties. It’s intellectually lazy in the extreme when people suggest equivalence on both sides. Specifically... Since 1965: Democrats (25 years in power): 3 indictments 1 conviction 1 prison sentence Republicans (28 years in power): 120 indictments 89 convictions 34 prison sentences ...and Trump’s not even done yet, nor is Mueller. Both sides my ass. Edited February 10 by iNow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
