Brian T. Johnston Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) The universe is too perfect to just come about by any kind of random actions. The idea of a pre-existing matrix from which the universe emerged is not the beginning of the universe. This would just a mark a phase of the universe becoming. The statisitical probability that the universe just appeared by itself is a virtual zero. I have worked out the probability and there is just no way it could occur randomly, no matter what some would prefer. Science is not based upon taboos, just observations and data. If it is taboo to say that there was a pattern to which the universe complied then science is wrong as this is the only true explanation, If that requires a God for some people's minds, then that is for them to analyze. The universe came from nothing. There was nothing before. There was no space, or time. That is all we know. All the rest is speculation and has no place in science. All the other explanations require paramters for which we have no supporting observational evidence. Edited September 5, 2018 by Brian T. Johnston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Brian T. Johnston said: The universe is too perfect to just come about by any kind of random actions Why do you think the universe is perfect? And why do you think it could have come about by “random actions” ? (And actions by whom?) 19 minutes ago, Brian T. Johnston said: I have worked out the probability Please show your working (as they used to say at school) 21 minutes ago, Brian T. Johnston said: If it is taboo to say that there was a pattern to which the universe complied It isn’t. As long as you have evidence for that pattern. 21 minutes ago, Brian T. Johnston said: The universe came from nothing. There was nothing before. There was no space, or time. That is all we know. We don’t know anything of the sort. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Brian T. Johnston said: The universe is too perfect to just come about by any kind of random actions. The idea of a pre-existing matrix from which the universe emerged is not the beginning of the universe. This would just a mark a phase of the universe becoming. The statisitical probability that the universe just appeared by itself is a virtual zero. I have worked out the probability and there is just no way it could occur randomly, no matter what some would prefer. Science is not based upon taboos, just observations and data. If it is taboo to say that there was a pattern to which the universe complied then science is wrong as this is the only true explanation, If that requires a God for some people's minds, then that is for them to analyze. The universe came from nothing. There was nothing before. There was no space, or time. That is all we know. All the rest is speculation and has no place in science. All the other explanations require paramters for which we have no supporting observational evidence. Sounds like a lot of speculation and assumption on your part to re-open a 16 year old thread. Have you no hard facts, with verification, to add? Edited September 5, 2018 by studiot spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Brian T. Johnston said: I have worked out the probability and there is just no way it could occur randomly, no matter what some would prefer. Let's see the math, and how are you defining "randomly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Brian T. Johnston said: ... If it is taboo to say that there was a pattern to which the universe complied then science is wrong as this is the only true explanation, If that requires a God for some people's minds, then that is for them to analyze. The pattern that arises results from the hard-wired behaviour of the universe's individual components. That part is not random, only the incidence of collision between those components is, which would allow them to react. edited. Edited September 5, 2018 by StringJunky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I would like to know what the OP means by "perfect". "Perfect" for what? Certainly NOT "perfect" for life! Almost all of the universe is terribly hostile to life. If the earth is "perfect" for life that is because life has evolved to fit it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Country Boy said: I would like to know what the OP means by "perfect". "Perfect" for what? Certainly NOT "perfect" for life! Almost all of the universe is terribly hostile to life. If the earth is "perfect" for life that is because life has evolved to fit it. You would need to go back to the original OP in 2002 for an answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Darn! If I could just remember where I put my time machine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Ask swansont, he split the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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