Moopy Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 well..this is a new theory ive been working on. i dont know everything about stars,but neither does anybody so think about its possibilities before flaming it..its not complete either..i just thought about it a few days ago. here goes.. the big bang is not the creator of the whole universe..only the reaction that fills up an empty space in the universe imagen the universe is unlimited..just like numbers..it never ends i can count 1,2,3,4,5 and never stop and i can also count -1,-2,-3 and never stop... now,on one side of the universe is a system of stars...not a single single solar system but millions. on the other side there is that as well.. in the middle it is "empty" .. now at the filled sides of the galaxies, a star exploded on both sides and the atoms met each other rght here and reacted in a big explosion and so,gasses were created..rocks and eventually planets. meteors formed planets and so came earth as one of them...and earth was in perfect position with the sun..there was water and an atmosphere..perfect for life to begin and a meteor with few alive cells came here and the planet sprang to life. and here we are.. so what im saying is that big bangs happen every earth-day and create systems of galaxies. i also believe the universe has no beginning and no end. but systems of stars could be destroyed perhaps by black holes or something and filled up again billions of earth-years later.(the last bit is just a thought) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad89 Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I have to say, I completely agree with the whole thing about the universe having no beginning or end. That is why I believe that time travel is impossible. On a timeline of infinity, how is it possible to point to a precise point on it? It isn't, because infinity is not a number. What is half of infinity? Infinity? Infinity is not a number. A timeline of infinity is impossible to move on. If time is just energy, than it makes sense that when energy is huddled close together, that time goes faster, so time can move at a different pace. But to move back or forward in time, it can't happen. The universe probably wouldn't have an age, because it never begins or ends. That is why I think time is an invention, it is really just the next instant of matter changing position due to energy. If the universe doesn't have a beginning or end, why does anything else? That is why time travel is impossible. As for your theory, I wonder about the last part, because how can matter be destroyed? I wondered myself whether or not that once it goes somewhere, it comes out somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 New galaxies being created forever!!! That is a kind of combination of steady state and Big Bang theory. It does make sense. The future is forever. And we are its purpose. So God goes on creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Your theory only explains the creation of our galaxy, the milky way. I understand your statement that the universe is infinite. Your "number theory" is quite interesting, yet it fails to explain how those "numbers" came into existence. Were they just automatically there? How were those previous galaxies created, thus exploding and forming a chain reaction that produced the milky way galaxy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11529 man, that thread needs a sticky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Your theory only explains the creation of our galaxy, the milky way. I understand your statement that the universe is infinite. Your "number theory" is quite interesting, yet it fails to explain how those "numbers" came into existence. Were they just automatically there? How were those previous galaxies created, thus exploding and forming a chain reaction that produced the milky way galaxy? The birth of the infinite complexity of mathematics comes from the zero and the one. No one without a zero!!! How do you know 1+1 equals 2? Is it because someone told you? If you ask people this question thats what they'll often say. Anybody got a better answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 yea, it just does. i have a car. i buy another car. how many cars do i have now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 So according to your "number theory", you're saying that in the beginning there was absolutely nothing..then all of a sudden planets started popping up out of nowhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 yea' date=' it just does. i have a car. i buy another car. how many cars do i have now?[/quote'] No. the real answer is you can see it does!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 As Einstein once stated, "as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moopy Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 The universe probably wouldn't have an age, because it never begins or ends. That is why I think time is an invention, it is really just the next instant of matter changing position due to energy. If the universe doesn't have a beginning or end, why does anything else? That is why time travel is impossible. As for your theory, I wonder about the last part, because how can matter be destroyed? I wondered myself whether or not that once it goes somewhere, it comes out somewhere else. time is an invention to keep track of the rotation of the earth and all that stuff..it does not count for the whole universe or any other planet for that matter..that is why i call it earth-time when talking about the universe. matter cant be destroyed....if your responding to the last bit..i said it was merely a thought....but i meant that maybe a big ball of fire comes in and starts a chain reaction destroying numorous galaxies and atoms will fly all around space and react with one another on another place and fill up an empty space in the universe...and this goes on in a neverending cycle. Your theory only explains the creation of our galaxy, the milky way. I understand your statement that the universe is infinite. Your "number theory" is quite interesting, yet it fails to explain how those "numbers" came into existence. Were they just automatically there? How were those previous galaxies created, thus exploding and forming a chain reaction that produced the milky way galaxy? the milky way is our galaxy...my theory targets the creation of multiple galaxies using A big bang as a starter(a reaction of atoms to create gasses etc etdc the number theory was closest to give an example of a never ending story.. also keep in mind that i do not count 0 as the middle of the numbers...i consider there to be no middle..no end..no beginning.. that 0 is in the middle is only so because it is taught...but nobody can say for sure its true ..as our friend Einstein said... So according to your "number theory", you're saying that in the beginning there was absolutely nothing..then all of a sudden planets started popping up out of nowhere? according to my theory...there is no beginning...it was always there...the never ending cylce of "bigbang..galaxies...destruction of galaxies...reaction....big bang somewhere else" has always been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 time is an invention to keep track of the rotation of the earth and all that stuff..it does not count for the whole universe or any other planet for that matter.. thanks for the laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moopy Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 thanks for the laugh last i looked...time was invented on earth and 24 hours is the time that earth takes to spin around. 365 1/4 is the amount of days that earth takes to spin around the sun... but they are all not created on another planet..thus making them only usefull on our planet... not sure if you are with or against my point of time...but i stand by my point that the time we know is only usable with our planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 haha!!!!!!!!!!!!! you're a very funny guy, you know that? there is a difference between time and the measurement of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moopy Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 btw..im not an expert on time..im trying to open a new theory and lots of my friends have also been amazed at it...at last i can give an answer to the question "what was before the big bang?" but anyways...i still think time is an invention...and about being a funny guy...i try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 ok, what does your "theory" predict? using math, what was the universe like before the big bang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moopy Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 ok, what does your "theory" predict? using math, what was the universe like before the big bang? before "THIS" big bang that created OUR part of the universe...the universe is just as it is ...just around this place its less populated with star systems.. i say ' big bangs' happen all the time all around the universe...i consider the universe to be in no way related to the construction of the universe...but merely a creation of star systems...like black holes destroy. imagen that before our big bang...it was less populated by star systems here.... somewhere in the galaxy..perhaps a star system was destroyed..or maybe more than 1.. and somewhere else happens the same.... certain atoms or molucules survived the destruction and traveled billions of kajillions of years to come here...either way..they came here and reacted causing an explosion (big bang)....then the theory of the big bang comes in about gasses rocks and such. and this happens all over the universe in a never ending cycle... (please keep in mind i havent completely thought everything over yet and still have much more research to do to make this a completely believable theory...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Do you have ANY evidence, proof, mathematics, or even logical thought processes that lead to this? Once again, what does this "theory" predict? http://www.scienceforums.net/forums...ead.php?t=11529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad89 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Keep track of every idea that you have in a notebook or something. That is what I did eventually because every time I had a good idea, than went to work on it again, I forgot everything I said earlier. I would try my best to remember, but I could never recall it. So it was like having to restart the theory from my last point of memory. Maybe you have a better memory than me, though, so I don't know if what im saying even matters to you. Just a thought to help you out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 This is ultimately the basis of what most scientists predict in their famous "Big Bang theory." Since they cannot prove how the first atom came into existence, they simply state that it was just there to begin with. But see, this is the problem with evolution and creation. None of them can be proven. Creationists follow their faith in God and entrust that he created the universes and so on. In addition, evolutionists won't be able to prove their case, unless they prove me wrong but there seems to be no scientific way to prove how and when that first atom came into being. Imagine time traveling in the past (if this is even possible) and going all the way back to the beginning of time. What happens when you get to that point in time? Since there was no universe and only one atom, what environment would your body be in? Would it just be empty space you're floating in? What would it look like? To me, this is just an impossible situation to envision and is based around faith, much like believing in God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad89 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 you know he must have something to prove it. It is tough to describe without actually being in front of a person to describe it to them. Thing is, you don't really need to have proof to have a thought. I don't think he is trying to prove it (well, he is..), but he is trying to get some input from other people on his idea. But I think he must have some proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 This is ultimately the basis of what most scientists predict in their famous "Big Bang theory." Since they cannot prove how the first atom came into existence' date=' they simply state that it was just there to begin with. But see, this is the problem with evolution and creation. None of them can be proven. Creationists follow their faith in God and entrust that he created the universes and so on. In addition, evolutionists won't be able to prove their case, unless they prove me wrong but there seems to be no scientific way to prove how and when that first atom came into being. Imagine time traveling in the past (if this is even possible) and going all the way back to the beginning of time. What happens when you get to that point in time? Since there was no universe and only one atom, what environment would your body be in? Would it just be empty space you're floating in? What would it look like? To me, this is just an impossible situation to envision and is based around faith, much like believing in God.[/quote'] 1) The Big Bang does not assume that the first atom was just "always there." 2) Evolution has tons of evidence; creationism has 0 evidence. 3) Read up on the early universe and you'll see that we do know how the first atom came into being. 4) Everything else is based on the first three, so is pretty much useless speculation. 5) The universe isn't "in" space, it is space(and time aka spacetime)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 you know he must have something to prove it. It is tough to describe without actually being in front of a person to describe it to them. Thing is, you don't really need to have proof to have a thought. I don't think he is trying to prove it (well, he is..), but he is trying to get some input from other people on his idea. But I think he must have some proof. no proof=no theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad89 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I am not trying to argue. Im saying its not a theory, just a thought. I have the same thing, not a theory, just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 but he claims it is a theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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