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8 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

Chinese made two

Nonsense.

For example:

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China is by far the largest consumer of semiconductors; it accounts for about 45 percent of the worldwide demand for chips, used both in China and for exports. But more than 90 percent of its consumption relies on imported integrated circuits.

So if they import 90%, they must make 10%. 

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Shanghai-based Spreadtrum Communications, which designs chips for mobile phones, and Shenzhen-based HiSilicon Technologies, a captive supplier to Huawei and one of the largest domestic designers of semiconductors in China, are among the local designers that have shown rapid growth over the past few years.

So there are at least two Chinese companies designing and manufacturing chips.

Both quotes from: https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/semiconductors/our-insights/semiconductors-in-china-brave-new-world-or-same-old-story

 

1 minute ago, cheetaman said:

How about Spanish??

1) In the 16th century , European believed that a few  thousand soldiers  can conquer China.
-- "The Spanish Plan to Conquer China."

2)In 1900, a small European army took Beijing and lost only 60 soldiers.
Battle of Peking (1900) , Wikipedia

 

3) The book "1421: The Year China Discovered the World. " by Gavin Menzies.
Historians have categorised Menzies' work as pseudo-history.
Menzies' work have been entirely discredited by  historians, maritime experts and oceanographers from China, the U.S., Europe and elsewhere.
Gavin Menzies, Wikipedia

What point are you trying to make with these random and incoherent posts?

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17 minutes ago, Strange said:

What evidence do you have for that?

Can you explain why you think it doesn't work?

I have to say that the spoon shape is a very clever way of making a low friction bearing from a material that is, I assume, quite hard to work.

With the added bonus that you can use it to eat your soup afterwards!

Agreed. But how is this relevant to the compass? Neither the Wikipedia page not anyone here has used this as a reference.

That should be: "A Chinese microchip"

1)" Can you explain why you think it doesn't work?"

I do not want to waste time to teach you.

The ancient Chinese compass, Sinan.

The pointer of the ancient Chinese compass was as big as a spoon.
The spoon was put on a board, with nothing else.
Compass,  Wikipedia
History of the compass, Wikipedia
Chinese Compass,  "Sinan", photo.

If you think that "compass" works, it proves how smart are you.

 

2) I said that "Chinese made two microchips and they are all fake."

You said that  "What evidence do you have for that?".

Can you read?

The Chinese microchips.
2.1) The chip was later revealed to be a duplicate of a chip developed in the West,  with the original identifications sanded away.
Hanxin, Wikipedia

2.2) Loongson - Wikipedia

3)The book "1421: The Year China Discovered the World. " by Gavin Menzies.
Historians have categorised Menzies' work as pseudo-history.
Menzies' work have been entirely discredited by  historians, maritime experts and oceanographers from China, the U.S., Europe and elsewhere.
Gavin Menzies, Wikipedia

4) Photos: 1990, the world discovered China.

In the 16th century , European believed that a few  thousand soldiers  can conquer China.
-- "The Spanish Plan to Conquer China."

In 1900, a small European army took Beijing and lost only 60 soldiers.
Battle of Peking (1900) , Wikipedia

 

 

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9 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

I do not want to waste time to teach you.

The ancient Chinese compass, Sinan.

The pointer of the ancient Chinese compass was as big as a spoon.
The spoon was put on a board, with nothing else.
Compass,  Wikipedia
History of the compass, Wikipedia
Chinese Compass,  "Sinan", photo.

If you think that "compass" works, it proves how smart are you.

If I wasn't sure that you are a sock puppet I would engage and ask you what your agenda is here.

My Polar-sense however makes me think that you are a banned member who does not want to take part in  a civilized and productive conversation.

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15 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

1)" Can you explain why you think it doesn't work?"

I do not want to waste time to teach you.

 

That's playground talk, it's not even a logical fallacy, and I stopped reading if you grow up and answer a simple question I'll read on. 

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11 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

I do not want to waste time to teach you.

Then what is the point of this thread?

13 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

2) I said that "Chinese made two microchips and they are all fake."

You said that  "What evidence do you have for that?".

You seem to be very confused. I asked you what evidence you had that the video of the Chinese compass was fake. 

I was the one who provided details of the fake chip you mentioned. Remember?

14 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

3)The book "1421: The Year China Discovered the World. " by Gavin Menzies.
Historians have categorised Menzies' work as pseudo-history.

Yes. We agree on that. So what? Why is it relevant?

14 minutes ago, cheetaman said:

4) Photos: 1990, the world discovered China.

So what? How is this relevant?

And why do you just keep posting the same thing over and over? This is a DISCUSSION forum.

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1 minute ago, John Cuthber said:

It works.

Why would it not?

 

OK - to play advocate...  although I think it probably worked, I'd assume the handle would need to be magnetic, the board and underside of the spoon bowl would need to be highly polished.  I reckon it would be clunky, the spoon would need to be light....  but assuming it was magnetized, er, Ok that's all I got  -  why wouldn't it work?

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1 minute ago, DrP said:

I'd assume the handle would need to be magnetic, the board and underside of the spoon bowl would need to be highly polished.  I reckon it would be clunky, the spoon would need to be light....

I assume the whole thing is made from magnetite (the Chinese are very good at working difficult stones; look at some of their jade work - a material that cannot be carved). And if it is heavier, there is more magnetite and so a stronger magnet. But there is probably some ideal balance between size and functionality.

The other good thing about the spoon shape as a balance is that it doesn't depend on the base being perfectly level.

7 minutes ago, Silvestru said:

If I wasn't sure that you are a sock puppet

Reported?

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15 minutes ago, Strange said:

Reported?

Yes but more of a request to mods to investigate. Also I don't understand the role of the pictures that the OP insists on re-adding.

Actually I am super confused by this thread. I don't see what's the problem. OK, the Chinese spoon compass was crude... So what? Who cares to whom the invention is attributed to cheetaman

This nationalistic pride is dangerous. We are all children under the same sun. :P 

Arabia was for some time the "science  capital of the world" between 8th and 11th century. Things took a left wrong turn in the meantime from a science point of view. Not sure how that relates to this thread but the randomness of facts seems to compliment the thread style.

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fixed offensive term toward left-handed people :)
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7 minutes ago, Strange said:

I guess he is just angry and decided to blame the Chinese. Or something.

Then let me add Gunpowder to the fire. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Great_Inventions

The Four Three Great Inventions are:

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Who is to say that the Italian invention wasn't inspired by seeing the Sinan on a merchant ship or something? I don't think it matters anyway. Who would care?

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, cheetaman said:

Again, It is another fake one.

What is your evidence (or other support) that it's fake? That all of them are fake? What would prevent them from working?

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I guess you must have no knowledge in physics.

Yeah, that's me. A complete n00b.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Silvestru said:

Then let me add Gunpowder to the fire. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Great_Inventions

The Four Three Great Inventions are:

And writing. One of the three(?) places where writing was invented. (Maybe not the earliest, but it was done independently of the others.)

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