tkadm30 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I believe solar geoengineering activity is a source of air pollution/fine particulate matter (PM2.5).Long-term PM2.5 exposure is a public health issue.Is the public just poorly (dis)informed about the harmful effects of air pollution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daecon Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 What exactly is solar geoengineering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkadm30 Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 What exactly is solar geoengineering? I'm glad you asked. Solar geoengineering is the deliberate injection of aerosols (metal oxide nanoparticles) into the troposphere to reflect solar radiation back into space. See: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/us-scientists-launch-worlds-biggest-solar-geoengineering-study Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I'm glad you asked. Solar geoengineering is the deliberate injection of aerosols (metal oxide nanoparticles) into the troposphere to reflect solar radiation back into space. See: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/us-scientists-launch-worlds-biggest-solar-geoengineering-study You linked to a study which starts with water vapor and then moves on to calcium carbonate, neither of which is a metal oxide and 2.5 microns means it's not a nanoparticle. Most details are missing, e.g the amount and extent of the release. The OP asks about long-term exposure, and a one-off release is not that. If I had to guess, this is a small perturbation in comparison to existing pollution, and being 20km up, is not a direct threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkadm30 Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 Future tests could involve seeding the sky with aluminium oxide – or even diamonds. I'm guessing metal oxides could be a very toxic cocktail and a source of ambient particulate matter. Furthermore, I find it hypocrite to pretend to "test" a technology which is already used covertly under our noses, over our heads, and hidden in plain sight. In other words, they are probably planning to further develop solar geoengineering while ignoring the risks of this technology for us and the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Furthermore, I find it hypocrite to pretend to "test" a technology which is already used covertly under our noses, over our heads, and hidden in plain sight. Citation? This is not a conspiracy site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkadm30 Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Citation? This is not a conspiracy site. http://nuclearplanet.com/mw1.pdf We disclose a fourth independent line of evidence, based on the co-precipitation technique, pointing to coal fly ash as the material utilized in tropospheric geoengineering, and describe some of the adverse environmental and public health risks associated with its persistent application. During a snow storm, the fluffy snow traps geoengineering-aerosol-particulates and brings them down with the snow. The results of the ICP-MS analytical measurements of the snow-melt particulates we tested are consistent with three independent lines of evidence that coal fly ash is the main aerosolized particulate used for tropospheric geoengineering. Coal fly ash tropospheric geoengineering inhibits rainfall to change weather/climate which disrupts habitats, including arable habitats. Long periods of artificially induced drought can wreak economic disaster on farmers, and shift the delicate balance in nature, weakening natural defenses and giving a boost to aggressive pathogens. Coal fly ash when exposed to water or body fluids can release a host of toxic chemicals including neuro-toxic aluminum in a chemically mobile form and carcinogens such as arsenic, hexavalent chromium, and the radioactive elements, uranium, thorium and their daughter products. The only safe geoengineering is no geoengineering at all Edited March 27, 2017 by tkadm30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://nuclearplanet.com/mw1.pdf I don't think that citing a paper from a conspiracy-theory site is a good way to counter charges of it being a conspiracy-theory. Quite the reverse in fact. Unfortunately, the list of predatory journals has been taken off line, but I am pretty confident the source of that paper would have been on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antares Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 He's basically talking about chemtrails. I've skimmed through the document, and there are only references to how it could be used to intoxicate the air, but no evidence whatsoever that it is used. There is no doubt that the air is polluted in certain areas, but there is no reason to believe it's being polluted on purpose, i.e. with the specific purpose of poisoning people as this suggests. It's just a baseless conspiracy, so I found your comment on hypocrisy hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkadm30 Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 I don't think that citing a paper from a conspiracy-theory site is a good way to counter charges of it being a conspiracy-theory. Quite the reverse in fact. Unfortunately, the list of predatory journals has been taken off line, but I am pretty confident the source of that paper would have been on the list. Do you have a PhD ? I suspect this guy is more qualified than you and me to counter the government-sponsored disinformation on covert solar geoengineering activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antares Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 And there are many, many more PhDs who think this is a load of crap, so what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkadm30 Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 He's basically talking about chemtrails. I've skimmed through the document, and there are only references to how it could be used to intoxicate the air, but no evidence whatsoever that it is used. There is no doubt that the air is polluted in certain areas, but there is no reason to believe it's being polluted on purpose, i.e. with the specific purpose of poisoning people as this suggests. It's just a baseless conspiracy, so I found your comment on hypocrisy hypocritical. There's sufficient photographic reports and testimonials on the internet to assert that solar geoengineering is really a illicit/clandestine activity occuring. Are they just a bunch of hypocrites to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 There's sufficient photographic reports and testimonials on the internet to assert that solar geoengineering is really a illicit/clandestine activity occuring. Are they just a bunch of hypocrites to you? No, they're just conspiracy cranks to me. ! Moderator Note And you have been told not to reintroduce chemtrail nonsense http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/102196-under-our-noses-over-our-heads-and-in-our-faces/?p=965637 Locked, pending review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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