Air Between The Notes Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 We are allowed to make our choices in this life & there is fallout from that, what's the problem here? How about stop spending so much money on special interest groups & do something of import for the Anglo's? Really, we have knowledge. of problems but do we do anything about them? Or just ignore, complain &/or use them as examples to push an agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arete Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 We are allowed to make our choices in this life & there is fallout from that, what's the problem here? What choice does an infant have in the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Presumably the infants are being punished because the adults have failed to find a cure for malaria. Edited February 5, 2017 by Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Between The Notes Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 We return to God before the age of accountability (around 13yrs or mentally challenged) afterwards we are held accountable for our actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 We return to God before the age of accountability (around 13yrs or mentally challenged) afterwards we are held accountable for our actions. So why does your god kill so many infants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Between The Notes Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The fallout of our freewill & where our choices can take both us & successive generations but have you ever thought about how many we kill via choice so we can have our sex without the side effects that can come from it? Globally we are racking up some pretty impressive #'s our selves, directly through our own actions individually (well two people really), with out the clouding of time that can hide why a certain peoples group is in the particular situation they find themselves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 So why does your god kill so many harmless and defenceless infants? How about answering the question instead of writing meaningless platitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Between The Notes Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 But I am not, let us apply some grey matter into a freewill & how the choices we make can affect not only our lives but the lives of so many to follow us, is that so hard to accept our actions & how they can set generations on a path that would cause grief to so many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 So why does your god kill so many harmless and defenceless infants? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Between The Notes Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 He does not & it is not His will but He does allow us freewill to do as we please & so it is our actions that cause this death, why are you having such a hard time seeing cause & effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arete Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 He does not & it is not His will but He does allow us freewill to do as we please & so it is our actions that cause this death, why are you having such a hard time seeing cause & effect? I see no fathomable link between people's actions and the degree of suffering they experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Between The Notes Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Ok, say you decide to live a debauched life while in power over your people & spend all of the "peoples" resources on yourself but to keep the peace you party allowing all to join in. Years of such actions can make people lazy, damage the collective knowledge of how to think of the greater good of the collective & rather focus on their individual wants/desires, toss in sickness with no resources to fight such a thing in the form of no one of talent recognized to help because they are not of the inner circles, countries moneys spent on fun in the sun selfish people looking to replace the debauched leader so they can have their own fill plus along comes some natural disaster & drought with a land plague. What do you have? A mess started out by a fellow choosing to serve himself rather than this people who he has now dragged down the drain with him. Look into history, this sort of thing happens all the time, the outcome of one man's freewill now punishing many generations to follow. So that is a countrywide suffering example & indavidually? A one night stand & now you have AIDS, that is a pretty serious degree of personal suffering caused by your own actions. Or how about heading south without vacinations because you don't like needles? You play it safe as you can but one ice cube & hepB is now your companion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Ok, say you decide to live a debauched life while in power over your people & spend all of the "peoples" resources on yourself but to keep the peace you party allowing all to join in. Years of such actions can make people lazy, damage the collective knowledge of how to think of the greater good of the collective & rather focus on their individual wants/desires, toss in sickness with no resources to fight such a thing in the form of no one of talent recognized to help because they are not of the inner circles, countries moneys spent on fun in the sun selfish people looking to replace the debauched leader so they can have their own fill plus along comes some natural disaster & drought with a land plague. What do you have? A mess started out by a fellow choosing to serve himself rather than this people who he has now dragged down the drain with him. Look into history, this sort of thing happens all the time, the outcome of one man's freewill now punishing many generations to follow. So that is a countrywide suffering example & indavidually? A one night stand & now you have AIDS, that is a pretty serious degree of personal suffering caused by your own actions. Or how about heading south without vacinations because you don't like needles? You play it safe as you can but one ice cube & hepB is now your companion. It's like you're just rambleblurting to yourself. You've ranted these rants so often you've stopped bothering to put them in reasoned order. All your responses are like this. Push a button, get a can of previously owned rant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Ok, say you decide to live a debauched life while in power over your people & spend all of the "peoples" resources on yourself but to keep the peace you party allowing all to join in. Years of such actions can make people lazy, damage the collective knowledge of how to think of the greater good of the collective & rather focus on their individual wants/desires, toss in sickness with no resources to fight such a thing in the form of no one of talent recognized to help because they are not of the inner circles, countries moneys spent on fun in the sun selfish people looking to replace the debauched leader so they can have their own fill plus along comes some natural disaster & drought with a land plague. What do you have? A mess started out by a fellow choosing to serve himself rather than this people who he has now dragged down the drain with him. Look into history, this sort of thing happens all the time, the outcome of one man's freewill now punishing many generations to follow. So that is a countrywide suffering example & indavidually? A one night stand & now you have AIDS, that is a pretty serious degree of personal suffering caused by your own actions. Or how about heading south without vacinations because you don't like needles? You play it safe as you can but one ice cube & hepB is now your companion. So why does your god kill so many harmless and defenceless infants? (who have never done any of these things?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Ok, so let's take an example: Angola's infant mortality rate is almost 1 in 5. Major killers are malaria and gastroenteritis compounded by starvation. So we have two competing hypotheses as per above: either God created plasmodium and norovirus to make Angolans suffer and therefore turn to him, or he created them to punish us for the sins of Adam and Eve. Either circumstance is incompatible with omnibenevolence - and we're left with a deity who is not only OK with certain people suffering, but actually wishes it. As a result, I personally, do not have the ability to believe in an omnibenevolent Christian God. To be clear - it's not a choice. When faced with the claims of the nature of God, and faced with the reality of the world I find them incompatible. It's like unicorns, or the Loch Ness monster. It's not that I choose not to believe in them, it's that if find the evidence uncompelling and am unable to accept their existence as plausible. Additional or different evidence may alter my ability to believe in the future, but currently that is not the case. What we experience now- sufferings, famines is just the consequence of the disobedience of our first parents. After our first parents disobeyed the command, the whole creation became a fallen creation. Before the fall, the creation of God is a perfect creation but because our first parents rebelled against the Creator, there is a spiritual and physical death. The sin committed by our first parents, affect not only themselves but also the whole creation.That's why, we experience sufferings and famines. Again, God did not do it. But here is the good news. Because God so love the world, he did not eradicate it, instead He gave His only begotten Son to save us from our sins. Thru Jesus Christ, there is assurance of salvation. God really is omnibenevolent God because He cares for us. He doesn't want us to go to hell and consumed by our sins. Edited February 6, 2017 by Randolpin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrettin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 God really is omnibenevolent God because He cares for us. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) If we believe in Jesus Christ as the One Who saves us from our sins and follow His will, we will be save. In Him, I found myself. Edited February 6, 2017 by Randolpin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrettin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Do you If we believe in Jesus Christ as the One Who saves us from our sins and follow His will, we will be save.In Him, I found myself. Do you think that the billions of people who follow Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto etc. are all misguided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Do you Do you think that the billions of people who follow Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto etc. are all misguided? Yes, some of these known religions are classified us heathen religions. But what is important is our relationship with Jesus Christ because if we have relationship with Jesus Christ , we will know the truth. And the truth will set us free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrettin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 So why do you have the privilege of being aware of the bible, cobbled together in the Middle East and Italy, whereas billions of others are condemned to hell because they happen to live in a country which did not have access to it? Or were born too early. Isn't this rather unfair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 There are factors to be considered why they did not know the bible. It would be because of wrong choices or they did not accept the bible, or because they born in a country with different religion- That is why there are Christian missionaries who go to dangerous, remote places to preach the word of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrettin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 That is why there are Christian missionaries who go to dangerous, remote places to preach the word of God. But that does not explain why billions of people are damned for living in a country which does not know the bible, or do not have the extreme good fortune of meeting a missionary. Why would god be so discriminatory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Then why are Christians just as likely to die of malaria or in an earthquake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 But that does not explain why billions of people are damned for living in a country which does not know the bible, or do not have the extreme good fortune of meeting a missionary. Why would god be so discriminatory? There are no hindrances when God revealed Himself to those who don't know Him. God will reveal to them personally. Then why are Christians just as likely to die of malaria or in an earthquake? God test those Christians on how great their faith is by letting evil on their lives. But we all know God is not the author of evil. He only let evil (since there is already evil in this world) as a diagnose of how great the faith of a Christian is. Amidst all this sufferings, the true Christian will flourished because of his great faith in God. By this,we see that all things work together for the good of a Christian. He proves himself that he is really a child of God. We also experience evil or sufferings in our lives to let us remind that there is a God when there are times that we forgotten Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrettin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 That is why there are Christian missionaries who go to dangerous, remote places to preach the word of God. I confess that one thing I deplore is the arrogance of such missionaries to think that their totally irrational beliefs are superior to the totally irrational beliefs of others. Having such beliefs is one thing, but foisting them onto others using blackmailing threats of hell and damnation is despicable. In what way is Christianity superior to any other religion? (Other than Islam, which to me is even worse) If you say that it is because it is true, then please provide some evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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