Endercreeper01
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7 minutes ago, Prometheus said:
By that reasoning my dreams are evidence i can fly through suns. And walk with my ears. And am master of a far flung space empire. My life is great.
I suggest you take me seriously and look into it before dismissing me.
That's not my reasoning.
My reasoning is that the Near Death Experiences that many have had are significant in that they indicate something fundamental about existence and life.
If you know what a NDE is, you would know how vivid they are.
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3 hours ago, Strange said:
Being “loyal”, and blindly following a culture or religion even when it is wrong, is not honourable. It is stupid and shameful.
The sheep are those who follow tradition without thinking or being brave enough to challenge it.
Using “culture” to defend evil ideas is a sign of cowardice.
It is only stupid and shameful in our "modern" world, where all forms of pride have been shamed (except for LGBT pride).
It is not stupid and shameful at all when you value your own self identity over others.
3 hours ago, beecee said:My weak argument as you so wrongly claim, is simply social advancement and recognition as opposed to your own offensive outlook. Over simplifying of course is interpreted as you lacking any argument to the contrary.
The misapplication of my logic that you have done does not matter.
2 hours ago, mistermack said:Yeh right. Believe what you are told to believe. Say what they say. Do like they do. So your "self identity" is the one you are given. It takes no thought on your part. Probably just as well.
It is not being a sheep when I have opinions that differ significantly from what is the norm in todays world.
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5 hours ago, pzkpfw said:
Most people will experience or perceive movement in this image.
That does not prove that there is any.
If you had any idea what a near death experience is, you would not be comparing it to an optical illusion.
3 hours ago, Prometheus said:I don't agree with this, i think it's perfectly reasonable to ask the question. It's just that there is now an utter lack of evidence that we can quite confidently say no, but in our ancestors time it was far less certain.
I came across some research looking into people's behaviour during terrorist attacks and they found that most people acted quite rationally rather than turning into a quivering flock of panicked animals. I'll try to dig out the research.
I can see how they would be life changing experiences to many people, and they might convince some people in the afterlife. But first, anecdote is not evidence, second we just ignore all those people who didn't have near death experiences despite being near death (i.e. the vast majority), third the reports people give vary by culture and religion, which would only happen if Terry Pratchett was right in his novels and whatever you believe will happen after death is what happens, and fourth we ignore those people who have NDEs and place no special meaning to it.
You've had dreams before right? Both clear and vivid? Are they evidence of anything?
What do you mean it isn't "evidence"? When so many people have had these experiences, it's not hard to see that they mean something.
These experience can't simply be dismissed without looking further into them.
3 hours ago, beecee said:Deny it till the cows come home, the fats are that we have no evidence of such.
Actually, we do have evidence of such. There are many witness testimonies of NDE that establishes that these experiences are really happening to people. You can't deny that people have had these experiences.
2 hours ago, Strange said:It is easy for any reasonable person to see that you only think this because you are following what you have been told, like a sheep unable to think for yourself.
A real sheep would be the one who follows what the "scientists" say on the issue.
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1 minute ago, beecee said:
Do you have some reputable, professional evidence to support that? Or are you just going to continue to claim it willy nilly.
It's not very hard to see to any reasonable person. Once you actually know about everything that people have experienced during a NDE, it becomes obvious that it has to be something significant.
These are vivid, detailed experiences.
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Just now, beecee said:
No, you are explaining away all possible explanations due to the fact that you have this ID of some sort, agenda.
All I am doing is telling you how you have a weak argument.
It's not that hard to see how you are oversimplifying me.
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10 minutes ago, beecee said:
So those that supported the terrible and unjust cruelty during the Inquisition were honourable, because it was the culture, and religion acceptable at that time?
You are seeing my message in a very simplistic way.
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2 minutes ago, beecee said:
How do you know there are no other possibilities? [1] the mind playing tricks...[2] The light/atmosphere playing tricks...[3] a lucid dream..[4] Hard-wired in mythical thinking due to childhood brain washing.
https://www.verywellmind.com/ways-your-brain-plays-tricks-on-you-2795042
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-our-mind-play-tricks-on-us-at-all
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jodie-rogers/perception-how-your-mind-_b_12615584.html
A near death experience is a vivid, detailed experience. There is no way that it can be compared to "the mind playing tricks on you".
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2 minutes ago, beecee said:
And for you to say that something is supernatural simply because you cannot explain, and are ignorant of other possibilities, is rather gullible and silly in the extreme.
There are no other possibilities. How can there be? That is what I am saying.
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4 minutes ago, beecee said:
Not true. The mind is a wonderful thing, but can and does play tricks on people. The light and atmospheric disturbances and conditions also are contributors. Check out all the nonsensical claims of Alien controlled UFO's....95% can be explained by the conditions mentioned among others not mentioned. The remaining 5% are just that...unexplained. When you can legitimately rule out all scientific causes then you may have an unexplained event...still not actual evidence of anything supernatural.
There are so many things that are unexplained about the mind and consciousness.
For you to say that the mind is only playing tricks on people is nothing more than being dismissive. It is easy to say without any true backing to it.
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12 minutes ago, mistermack said:
Unfortunately most people are the same. Humans are very like sheep. They like to be led and told what to think.
I think you're on the wrong forum.
Being loyal to one's culture, religion, and race is about self identity. It is honurable.
The sheep are those that follow the crowd of acceptance and tolerance.
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Just now, beecee said:
You believe that?
But anyway, you have avoided the questions.
16 minutes ago, beecee said:Please explain to me how another person's delusions, illusions, dreams, imaginations, experiences are evidence for anything other then delusions, illusions, dreams, imaginations and experiences? Please explain to me how any personal experience that maybe unexplained, is evident of anything supernatural.
Because there is nothing else that would cause these experiences.
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5 minutes ago, mistermack said:
Well, I suppose that saves you from having to think for yourself. But all three seem pretty backward.
All three are a part of who I am.
9 minutes ago, zapatos said:I understand your views, but I am not so easily fooled by the "message" you are pedaling.
I would say the same towards this "message" of acceptance.
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Just now, beecee said:
Please explain to me how another person's delusions, illusions, dreams, imaginations, experiences are evidence for anything other then delusions, illusions, dreams, imaginations and experiences? Please explain to me how any personal experience that maybe unexplained, is evident of anything supernatural.
If you had these experiences, they would change you.
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Just now, zapatos said:
You are doing a great job of defending offensive and unscientific views by waving your hands and hoping people look the other way.
You don't understand my message.
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7 minutes ago, hypervalent_iodine said:
What possible reason could you have to hold views that contribute to the marginalisation and discrimination of a group of people for being who they are?
It doesn't have to be about me. It is about loyalty to my culture, religion, and race.
9 minutes ago, zapatos said:As I said, I agree. And the reason is because there is something wrong with those who hold such views.
They are only considered wrong to those that shame them for holding such views. Those that hold them don't see them as wrong.
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1 minute ago, zapatos said:
Agreed. It is because there is something wrong with those who hold such views.
There are reasons for holding these views.
These reasons make it justified to hold these views. I'm not saying that it doesn't justify public shaming.
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6 minutes ago, hypervalent_iodine said:
That's exactly what it means.
There are reasons for having such views.
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It is certainly evidence to any reasonable person. There is no denying that many people have had these experiences and that they mean something.
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1 minute ago, hypervalent_iodine said:
Except that there is everything wrong with being homophobic, for the same reason that its wrong to be racist. Views like yours that result in people from the LGBTQ community being and feeling marginalised and discriminated against. It leads to them being bullied in schools and in the community, and feeling like they are wrong simply for the unchangeable fact of who they are as a person. Do you honestly think that's ok?
That is just the result of homophobic views. It doesn't mean that homophobic views are themselves wrong.
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5 minutes ago, hypervalent_iodine said:
Imagine raising someone for 18 years for them to believe that homosexuality is unnatural and that homosexuals have something wrong with them. Yikes. I suggest you have a quick look at the forum rules about slurs against groups of people before you post here next time.
There is nothing wrong with having a negative view towards homosexuals.
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Homosexuality is definitely unnatural, as with transgenderism. Homosexuality can only be some sort of biological defect because humans are programmed to have sex for reproduction.
Humans are programmed with attracted to the opposite sex for the purpose of procreation. Attraction to the same sex means that there is something wrong with the person that caused the defect.
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3 hours ago, beecee said:
The expansion of the universe follows laws that just happen to apply to it, and despite the many continued attempts to somehow put it down to some mythical higher power is just another "drag it out of my rear end" solution.....It is also an obvious "short circuit" to the discussion and science of how and why the BB started, what was before etc etc So far, all we know with any reasonable degree of certainty, is that the universe evolved/expanded from a hot dense state from around t+10-43 seconds, to the present day where we find that expansion over large scales now accelerating.
Much of course is still an unknown factor but scientists instead of short circuiting things with some magical spaghetti monster rear end idea, are using present day technology to gather further data, conduct research and hopefully in the not too distant future, supply a reasonable answer to some or all of the present unknowns.
There can not be scientific answer to how space and time were created in an instant.
2 hours ago, Strange said:Except there is no such relationship (outside your imagination)
Yes there is.
The past only exists to the observer that exists in the present. It is only possible to have the creation of space-time occur in the past because the observer is observing the event in the present.
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6 minutes ago, Ten oz said:
The orderly distinction you reference is just your own perception. It isn't something which governs the Universe. Some people view all of time as happening at once, Eternalism .
There is clearly an orderly distinction between past and future.
The universe is moving from a high entropy to low entropy state.
The big bang event was the highest entropy state of the universe. The motion in the present is happening as a result of the event.
This distinction exists to create the motion in the universe that would allow the observer to exist. This would be how it relates to a higher power.
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7 hours ago, Strange said:
There is no evidence for a “starting point”.
1. There is no evidence for such an event
2. Even if that event occurred, there is no reason to think it is uncaused (although it might be)
3. There is no reason to think there is any intention behind this event (whether it is caused or uncaused)
We observe uncaused events and there is no reason to think there is any intention behind them.
In summary, you have made a baseless assertion with no evidence, theory or logic behind it.
The event I am refering to is the big bang.
By uncaused I mean that there is no physical cause that brought matter into the high entropy state. It doesn't rule out any higher power.
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Near death experiences ,proof of afterlife ?
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The mind does not simply "play tricks".
The brain is not made to create imagery. Instead, the brain recreates visual input.
This means that there is always a source that the brain is recieving information from. The brain can't simply be creating all of this imagery on it's own without recieving information from a source.
Consciousness experiences reality by connecting through a brain. Consciousness is not simply the brain, it is rather plugged in to the brain and sensory information.
When someone has a near death experience, they are experiencing themselves, the consciousness, disconnect from the brain. It's not simply losing consciousness, their consciousness is just connecting to elsewhere.