nec209

I have been reading about the omicron and cases going up very high in the UK and Europe and lock downs in some of those countries. So I wanted to see what the case count is in the US.  And I’m shocked that none of the news web site even CNN or Fox news are posting the case count like they where before.

It is almost like they want to keep people in the dark that there is title wave coming to not derail Christmas.

Any of the other news web site post daily covid case count in their country but the US stop posting this now it seems leading up to Christmas.

On 9/19/2021 at 4:01 PM, CmdrShepSpectre2183 said:

It seems like society is going backwards. It seems like each passing year more and more people believe in a fantasy reality. A fantasy reality that believes in outlandish things like "vaccines are the devil" or that "space is fake".

This mindset has even infected physically healthy people.

 

There was a time when these type of people aspired to be astronauts.

 

 

What has happened to society? We aren't just turning away from science but from reality as well.

 

 

 

 

 

It not science it is a break down of faith in government.

The US has a very strong libertarian movement and the conservatives are far right in the US compared to say Europe or Canada.  The idea of anti big government is government agencies cannot be trusted. This why things like universal healthcare, welfare state, science or NASA is treated like they cannot be trusted. Out side of the far right wanting only a very strong police force and strong military they are paranoid of any big government cannot be trusted.

Where liberals and conservatives are more trusting of government but the far right  and libertarian do not trust the government.

This why you have flat earthers, space is not real, or we don’t have technology to go to space and they are lying, there is a middle earth so on. All these conspiracy theories because people don’t trust government. 

It just the US going back long time ago was always anti government and very decentralized. Where as Europe being smaller population and more centralized government people had more faith.

There was conspiracy called the deep state where Trump was fighting democratic party and republican party and the FBI trying to take down the US well they are sleeping with kids. Yes not two or three people but hundreds and hundreds of people in Hollywood, schools, government and police and all political parties trying to take down the US well they sleep with kids.

And many far right became the foot soldiers for this huge conspiracy movement. 

On 10/5/2021 at 11:13 AM, Phi for All said:I dislike many of them, especially when he blames the rise of toxic masculinity on feminists trying to "feminize" men. It's a LOT like the argument that men can't help themselves when it comes to "being men" and having to control themselves around women. Men like Peterson seem to argue that people are just animals while also profiting from his intellectual pursuits. He has the cake, he eats the cake, and women everywhere suffer for his POV. He doesn't even believe women merit equal pay for equal work. 

So he thinks it okay for violence in movies and TV shows that it is okay for guys to be violent and if guys get too soft and feminize that society will collapse.

That he believes liberals and feminists are trying to make guys to soft and feminize and this will lead to society collapse? 

On 10/5/2021 at 7:50 AM, Hans de Vries said:

What do you think about the ideas of Jordan Peterson? More precisely the idea that history of human society is that of dialogue between conservatives and liberals and that if conservatives and liberals can agree on something, then it's likely a good thing to do. In other words too much conservatism is bad and too much liberalism is also bad

Jordan Peterson like many others will say over and over that men and Western culture are under siege by the left and feminism but will not elaborate.

Part of that could be that many feminism argue with other feminism over views what does feminism ever mean. Like say the take on violence or sexuality or getting jobs or going to school.

The liberals have different view on history than conservatives and that may be where Jordan Peterson is getting some of his views. And when it cones to the men and western culture are under siege he is making reference to.

A new attempt to find the universe's age revealed troubling flaws.

https://futurism.com/hubble-broke-understanding-universe

I wad thinking about Ion lifters today as those youtube videos show it only going up like 10 feet in the air with hardly any weight. 

That if a craft was to lift 400 pounds or 1000 pounds the power requirements would be huge. And that probably why NASA and companies stop doing research into it.

Also there is no air in space so it would not work in space.

There are some other similar ion lifters and some that are really big like 10 feet by 10 feet. 😨

But I guess thrust is too low for it to be any use?

If I remember there was an article on some research into this in the past. But most of those youtube videos on ion lifters have power cable hooked up to this.

I have not seen youtube video of this ion lifter having its own power source on it they have a power cable hooked up to it like lot of those videos. 

So not sure but power may be problem?

From what I understand when the ionocraft or ion lifter is turned on, the corona wire becomes charged with high voltage. When the corona wire reaches approximately 30 kV, it causes the air molecules nearby to become ionised by stripping their electrons from them. As this happens, the ions are repelled from the anode and attracted towards the collector, causing the majority of the ions to accelerate toward the collector. 

The current is carried by a corona discharge (and not a tightly-confined arc) means that the moving particles diffuse into an expanding ion cloud, and collide frequently with neutral air molecules. It is these collisions that create thrust.

My question are there different types of ionocraft that operate similar like this one? And is power a big problem the reason this cannot be scaled up? I’m thinking aircraft big like a airplane would need gigawatts of power.

 
But it is very simple anyone can buy parts in store and make model Ion-propelled craft in their home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nM2u2FDWsQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LMTVq7PJkE

Also keep mind the power source is on the ground not the craft.  And to scale this up may need gigawatts of power. May be reason companies like Boeing or Lockheed so on are not building a craft like this.
 

Well from what I understand quantum computers operate on 0s and 1s and both and being both at the same time. So this opens up big problem how could data be both there and not there?

 From what I understand computers today use 1s and 0s , but quantum computers use 1s, 0s and can be both 1 and 0 at the same time? So how can data be both 1 and 0 at the same time so data is there and not there? 

11 hours ago, zapatos said:

This is where you and I differ.

Obsessing over whether I am going to die of this or that is generally a waste of life. You only go around once so enjoy it while you can.

Well I don’t think people should be obsessing over it and people should get on with their life but people who have billions of dollars and governments that start wars and stop spending trillions of dollars on the wars and put it in say education,  healthcare,  research and building hospitals and stuff.

The problem is the human brain is wired to be way too optimistic. Some of that is good as we don’t want people panicking.  But If I was Bill Gates having billions of money and now his age putting 98% of his money into schools, education,  healthcare,  research, labs and building hospitals and stuff will not save him and probably not his kids but his grate grand kids may live to 120  If all the billionaires had this attitude

But I realize it hard to do it because people are drawn to entertainment and pleasure. And money is really powerful addicting  thing that changes people.

5 hours ago, swansont said:

Why would people be protesting any of this?

I think part of the fear has to do with things we have some control over. And, as Phi noted, immediate vs off in the remote future 

Well I think part of the problem is the world we are in today people are hooked on watching TV,  watching movies , playing video games, sports and more entertainment and pleasure.

This keeps people so busy they have little time to say oh I may die from this or that. It also some thing you can’t see or touch like you see in news like a house fire, crime, car crash or plane crash or building exploding. But cancer or heard disease would not make news.

We spend billions of dollars on entertainment and buying things. And rich people that have billions are drown in on the way too optimistic I will be alive for long time. Well they hooked on lifestyles and money high.

When comes to healthcare it is less sexy in the public eye than entertainment,  money and pleasure.

Well if the public was panicking and freaking out they would be huge hardship of giving up most all this entertainment and pleasure and really limiting this at all.

And people who have billions of dollars would not be thinking of running this addicting money high of keeping this money and wanting more and more money but be panicking and giving this money to scientists. 

So the way the human brain is built is design to make people way too optimistic I will be alive and will not be dying any time soon.

And governments around the world love to spend billions of dollars on wars and people like to spend billions of dollars on entertainment.

But spending money on cancer research and heart disease research and building hospitals and treatment places is less sexy in the public eye than entertainment.

One of shocking things I read when a scientist in a lab thinks this new drug may work or this new treatment may work can take any where from 5 to 10 years of testing to see if it will work or not. As they have to test it on slides first under a microscope than test It on mice that take long time than test it on people that take very long time.

Than people get mad at them they moving too slow. And society can spend billions of dollars on entertainment and along with government spending billions dollars on war.

8 hours ago, iNow said:

And to understand why, you must consider which parts of our brain drive the fear response and what risks we faced in our ancestral past... which fears were selected for and how survival / avoidance of those fears was driven by acting without analytic thinking or reasoning... it was automatic / reflexive.

Also could be in the past fires and wars where more common than today. And also factoring in the human body was not built to last to your 80th or 90th birth day.

Where most people in the old days would not live to their late 30s.

So in a way people are living longer now and are getting cancer where in the old days these people would be dead.

The human body was not built to last this long.

So I was looking at this web site today showing odds in person life time some one dying. I’m shocked most people fear fire, Motor-vehicle crash and airplane crash , yet people do not show the same fear over cancer and heart disease and they have a way higher chance of dying.

Looking at the table.

Motor-vehicle crash    1 in 106

So if you have 106 people that live on your street one person will die in car crash in their life time.

Fire or smoke        1 in 1,399

Well if there is 1,399 people that live on your street one person will die in their life time.

Choking on food    1 in 2,618

Well if there is 2,618 on your street one person will die in their life time 

But looking at this Cancer 1 in  7

So if you have 7 people that live in your house one person will die.

And hear disease is 1 in 6

Web site data source I got it from..

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/
 

On 12/20/2020 at 9:00 AM, sweetque said:

This have nothing with IQ

Memory is not big  matter, there are  material for read-write, no need to carry all information in the head. The memory of human is redundant. There are no one man which memory insufficient for practic aspect of life

Memory is a waste of brain resources

Well it was the poster above who said politicians should be an intellectual.  I said they could well love to read lots and lots of books on many subjects like biology, medicine, physics, law and economics so on and still be risk taker or do stupid things.

That just because you a intellectual does not mean you good at understanding cause and effect and analysis risk.

8 hours ago, molbol2000 said:

Because "they" not need  for clever effective politics and manegers. They need keeping power, and stupid politicans  are good as comfortable puppets.
In addition, the modern mainstream of power and the image of the intellectual is an autistic type, where not intelligence, but memory plays a crucial role.

 

You can be intellectual person that loves to read lots and lots of books and be really knowledgeable in math, biology, economics, medicine,  Physics, culture, law and government so on and still be risk taker or not understand cause and effect.

So I don’t think making law that only intellectual people can set up businesses or be in government will help.

Well delete that post above I don’t think logical reasoning test has any thing to do with risk taking and cause and effect.

A logical reasoning test measures your ability or aptitude to reason logically. Generally, logical reasoning tests measure non-verbal abilities. You must, through logical and abstract reasoning, extract rules, analogies and structures which you subsequently use to find a correct answer among a set of possible options.
 

Not sure if logical reasoning will help, I don’t think it has any thing to do with this thread. As this thread is more about risk and cause and effect.

I watched a video saying the origin and purpose of IQ tests are to see how well people do in school and your job.

Where people with low IQ will struggle and have a very hard time in school and some subjects like engineering, physics and law may not even make it in school no matter trying over and over. And some jobs require a IQ test. And if you score low you will have hard time doing your job.

I’m not sure if there is IQ test that tests risk taking /cause and effect.

Do people that stay on the front porch of their home ready to shoot people that get close to their home in a tornado or hurricane understand cause and effect or are they just I don’t care I’m Superman type attitude that brainwash them self that nothing will happen. Same thing with business people and politicians? Where some one from medical ages will probably do better job or high school student than them.

On 12/8/2020 at 6:25 AM, Saiyan300Warrior said:

I think it is better to just refer to people as not being able to understand cause and effect. IQ test is IQ test, cause and effect principle is cause and effect principle. 

Well I’m not sure I could be getting confused with logical reasoning test.

A logical reasoning test measures your ability or aptitude to reason logically.

https://www.123test.com/logical-reasoning-test/

On 12/5/2020 at 7:51 PM, Saiyan300Warrior said:

IQ means nothing more than how good you are at an IQ test. Science on brain and psychology is still young and so maybe more useful tests will come out further in the future or never will due to how the brain is built. Haven't took an IQ test myself but seems to me that most high achievers just get 5 minutes of fame and never achieve much else and live their lives doing as much as the low or middle IQ person. Also I think what attracts people to the idea of IQ meaning your smart is that it is generally accepted by the population as giving a person value of smartness or dumbness, it's just an easy way to think you are something without doing much else besides taking a test. I mean all your life you could live thinking you are a genius with a high IQ score but when it comes to doing anything else you fail tremendously at it, maybe that would make you an idiot savant in someway.

You wrote a lot of general, no evidence kind of stuffs so I write the same, opinions I guess. Peace bud, thanks for the question !

Well from what I understand there are different IQ tests.

The spatial IQ or Spatial intelligence is ability to visualize with the mind's eye the visualization of objects from different angles and space. This IQ is well mostly useful for construction and engineering.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_intelligence_(psychology)

That you may score high on spatial IQ test but low on other IQ tests or score high on other IQ test but low on spatial IQ.

You also have Verbal intelligence useful for problem solving and abstract reasoning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_intelligence

The IQ I’m talking about in this thread deal with cause and effect and planning. When it comes to fire safety, food safety and pandemic response  you don’t need hardship over and over to learn from your mistakes you can visualize problems in your head and outcomes before problems start and or what to do so problems do not get worse. People with this low IQ with NOT understanding cause and effect and  planning and will experience hardship over and over and may not even learn from the mistakes as they don’t understand the brain is not built to understand why they are experiencing hardship.

They may not understand you can’t spend all your money that you have to save part of your money for an emergency that if you get fired from work you will not be homeless, you can’t go on vacation every month you will be poor may be only one time per year and save your money for an emergency.

If you build factory or office building and don’t put any money into fire safety and a fire starts your businesses can go down and you will have less money.

As a politicians when it comes to food safety, fire safety or pandemic response so on they will learn the hard way and experience hardship.

On 12/5/2020 at 8:34 PM, swansont said:

What is your evidence that “science” does this?

IQ test before you get a job or an IQ test before you can go to college or university?

And most politicians will not be able to be politicians and North America and Europe would have much better Covid response.

And Trump would not even be allowed to run or most all those other politicians and senators.

Why is it not a must that all politicians and business leaders have to have IQ of 100 and above.

Bill out money to big banks and big businesses is socialism for the rich hardly capitalism under capitalism bad business should go for bankruptcy. And the free market will taker off making new businesses to do well.

Now a pandemic like Covid, war, fire or disaster may be? And I use the word here may be? But they still should be required to have some money not businesses or banks living on the edge not having any money or cannot even shut down for short time.

When I gone to school my teacher said people that have low IQ will live pay check to pay check  because they cannot see cause and effect where people that have higher IQ will have money and plan for the future.

Take politicians on food safety or fire safety again cannot plan the brain cannot plan or understand cause and effect the live for today attitudes and after many death and lobbying than understand and new law is well past.

Same thing with Covid the countries that got hit hard with SARS and other diseases in the past had better planning of understanding cause and effect than Europe or North America.

Be it food safety , fire safety , pandemic response or disasters like flood or high winds so on. That people with IQ above 100 do better than people with IQ below 100.

But for some reason science downplay IQ in government or businesses like in the past.That people with a IQ above 100 do better understanding cause and effect.

I remember people in cities and town that is well a small percentage stay in a hurricane on the front porch with loaded shot gun ready to shoot trespassers and they have to be rescued later on. Well again not understanding danger and cause and effect.

On 11/23/2020 at 6:05 PM, CharonY said:

Yes and no. For the most part no or at least it is not as easy. Generally speaking your blood proteome correlates with your current condition, but it is fairly dynamic. I.e. it changes during the day, depends on how much you eat or drink, whether you are stressed or not and so on. There are certain proteins that start increasing if there are damages, but they are not always specific (e.g. certain inflammation markers) and those that are more specific tend to be markers that are associated with serious injury (with e.g. cause the leakage of those proteins into the bloodstream). And even then it is often necessary to combine several protein biomarkers and/or other biomarkers (e.g. creatinine levels and other indicators) in order to make a proper diagnosis. Disease that are much less well defined, such as many of those you have listed generally only display generic markers such increased inflammation. The reason for that is pretty clear. Injury and inflammation, regardless of origin, tend to affect similar pathways and it is unclear where there is a simple yes/no response. More likely we see quantitative differences. However, they could depend a lot on the individual (i.e. individual may have different healthy baselines) making them not trivial to use clinically.

There are efforts to identify and build biomarker panels (i.e. groups of proteins) that together might diagnose issues typically using proteomic techniques, but success rates have been low with some successes. Also, there are non-protein biomarker candidates, such as DNA modifications in the case of colon cancer.

Finally, once there is a candidate in actual clinical use typically protein levels are measured via ELISA, as those are the most robust to handle. For discovery, mass spectrometry is typically used.

Well the above post explains it and sadly the human body is more complex as lot of popular science like to point out the holy grail by year 2050 may be we may have lab on chip a small microchip that looks at the blood and protein and can diagnose. And most likely that never will come to be if it is 50 years from now or 100 years from now that just the way human body built.

It is sad but the way the human is built things like lab on chip will alway be scfi.
 

May be the medical tricorder will have better luck in 50 or 100 years from now.

Not sure what they mean by this quote below looking at https://www.politicalcompass.org/

—
This is almost exclusively an American response, overlooking the undoubtedly libertarian tradition of European anarcho-syndicalism. It was, after all, the important French anarchist thinker Proudhon who declared that property is theft.

On the other side of the Atlantic, the likes of Emma Goldman were identified as libertarians long before the term was adopted by some economic rightwingers. And what about the libertarian collectives of the mid-late 1800s and 1960s?

Americans like Noam Chomsky can claim the label “libertarian socialist” with the same validity that Milton Friedman can be considered a “libertarian capitalist”.

—

When the human body organs go bad or have trouble working say in heart failure, heart disease, kidney failure, bladder problems, cancer, lung problems so on, does it have type of protein marker that is released in the blood? What are these protein markers?

Why does Irritable bowel syndrome, diverticulitis, leaky gut, Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) ,Inflammatory bowel disease, and colon cancer not have protein markers?

Also how are these protein markers analyzed?

But looking at that there seems to be conservative libertarian and liberal libertarian from what it seems not really explaining the two.

How does the political compass work?

So I gone to the political compass web site to see how Biden compares to Obama and it is saying Biden is bit more to the left than than Obama and bit more libertarian.

https://politicalcompass.org/images/uscandidates2008.png
 

But looking at this it is also saying Ronald Reagar is more to right than Trump but two or three points more libertarian than Trump.

https://i.imgflip.com/3wuzn9.jpg
 

But the other web site is showing Bush more the right than Trump.

So how does this political compass work?

It seems broken down where libertarian at the bottom and dictatorship at the top and right and left government.

On 8/9/2020 at 5:42 PM, Strange said:

It doesn't say that at all.

You are describing the observer effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

I think it's that if you try to measure the location of an electron, it will change to a different location. To measure the location you need photons but the photon will bounce off the electron and the electron will be in a different location and  so the measurement is not correct anymore.

The Heisenberg's uncertainty is saying if you are trying to measure something on quantum level the measurement process itself interferes with the object you are measuring and  increasing the error in the measurement.