Spaceman

Yes' date=' we do understand pretty well how gravity works, just not in special cases (very small distances and very high energies). And we understand how magnetism works extremely well - amazingly so that there has never ever been an experimental observation of magnetism which we cannot explain with the theory.

 

The website you quote (as Swantson points out) is written by an utter moron. This guy knows nothing about science, and the descriptions of 'science mistakes' are so bad I was getting embarressed reading them. Avoid at all costs.[/quote']

What you mean is we can observe their effects and make predictions as to the outcome of certain experiments.But we dont even know what they are,or how they work,what energy source they draw upon.As for calling the author Mark McCutcheon a moron who knows nothing of science,get a reality check!! Your a 'nobody' on an insignificant forum,you have obviously shown to people here that your knowledge on any science topic is fundamentally average,and thats being complimentary.Yet you think by merely spouting Utter crap that you carry some kind of aura.This person who has shown he understands physics far in advance than you,can get his work published and make significant amounts of money.And you think your words to the contrary are important....a word of advice GET A LIFE.

And if you think thats trolling,or flaming...please dont reply because i dont want you too,Im just pointing out facts.Compared to him your nappy rash...

I vote never....it is just us...no martians...just dead dead dead planets.And whats really sad is we are never going to be here again.We spend our time bickering and arguing when we should be in awe of our existance.We should meet people and cheer,hug and sing.Every day should be magical my friends,we all take it for granted that they will be a tommorrow,but tommorrow someone is going to die.Be thankfull for the time you all have left and yes worship a God.For one day tommorrow will be your last,your life will end..they will be no garden, or the meeting of love ones departed.Only the blackness of death awaits us.....so be thankfull for tommorrow for some never see it

But you know this you will bet big!!,because you have no choice its all predetermined.

yes your getting it,your playing roulette and have 50 dollars to place...your going to choose red....yes red it feels right but at the last minute no more bets pleese you place your chips on black......red 24...shite you knew you should have placed red but you didnt..its gone in the past now ,despite you believing you had a choice,free will !!you picked black when your instincts, deja vou whatever told you to pick red.You didnt though you had no real free will to choose you picked black because thats what you were meant to pick.Thats when you have a lucky streak you get the feeling your invinsible,you just know in advance your in tune, you pick a horse,dog,football team and you just know your going to win.somehow you are tapped into the pre-determined future in advance of it happening....so bet big my friend..bet big

Yeah ive been laughing for ten minutes before i posted,then i thought 'oh dear' if we are actually the only planet out of the whole thing that has life on it....his right!!!which wiped the smile off my face

I accept no im not great at physics,But this is like flogging a dead horse i never stated a magnetic reversal would cause an axial shift,but its knock on effect could cause one.I know the following is simplifying things but bear with me.It helps if you consider the fact that the earth spinning on its axis isnt a well balanced object(imagine a ball with a weight stuck to the side...)we know this is the case because the earth oscillates.Now worst case scenario the magnetic field disappears,Huge disruption within the earths mantle,we're bombarded with radiation from the sun,the earth is heated,ice caps melt,upheavel in geophysical mechanisms,lithosphere displacement,a speeding of plate techtonics over a short period.The magnetic field re-emerging goodness knows when,techtonic movement again to counter the imbalance already created and maybe an axial shift.

Instead of them moving away imagine the coming together of gif image

 

A final point that may offend some' date=' so I shall put it in personal terms to try to reduce the offence. If I am ever on a plane that is hi-jacked please do not allow any part of the media, or any politician, refer to me as an [b']innocent[/b] victim. In voting as I vote (or even worse not voting), in living the consumer life style I do, in focusing on my life, my needs, my wants (where 'my' includes family, friends, and fellow Economist subscribers), I have lost all entitlement to be considered innocent.

And if im on that plane as well i will shout "there he is the infidel,capatilist afront to allah...Burn him"

In order to change the rotational axis, you MUST have an external torque. This is physics 101 stuff. There is no need to go any further. Your contention is[/i'] nonsense, and it is laughable for you to use the phrase "ill informed" in referring to anybody else on this topic.

Ok i will take ophi's and saya's comments on board,your laughing only at my post swansont.But without getting angry TOSH ! I give you respect as ophi said yourself,lucid,capn have had previous disscussions on the subject so no doubt you will have all researched sites to gain insight into the possible cause and effect.However your opening comments are incorrect,i cannot believe that someone who is supposed to know his stuff would make such a foolish statement as authoritively as you did .You DO NOT need an external torque to alter a planets obliquity.This is BASIC physics swansont. And yes it helps if you actually study geologyooops hey i do thats a bonus.

The earths obliquity(thats axial tilt)has moved a few times in the past,In earths ancient past impact resulting in our moon which is widely accepted by scientists gave an est 70°,and stayed above 54° for most of the pre-cambrian(external torque).This means the pole regions were pretty sunny, no ice!!with glaciers forming at low-latitudes. During the late Proterozoic glaciation (800-600 million years ago), continents at low palaeolatitudes were glaciated.(do you see were im going here)Causing yes! the obliquity to decrease to about 26°between 600-400 million years ago.Were its been pretty stable,however as scientists dont all agree some say palaeoclimatic and palaeontological data suggest that in the Mesozoic and early Cenozoic the earth's tilt was only 5 to 15°.Notice ive only mentioned a few tilts,scientists cannot agree on a few some say earths obliquity has changed many times some very recent.You may have read about or seen some BBC documentary which Ophi mentioned,flash frozen mammoths eating daisies lol.

Now bearing in mind what could possibly make the earths obliquity change? the moon you shout in triumph aha external torque!,correct i say when we first captured it.Sadly though it now acts as a stabilizing force.So we are left with geophysical mechanisms within the earth itself, such as dissipative core-mantle coupling,lithosphere displacement this amounts to an accelerated, global-scale version of the official plate-tectonic scenario, which may be caused by gravitational imbalances (uncompensated masses) within the lithosphere or immediately below it.Now maybe add magnetic reversals which prior to re-emergence it disappears(which may be a very long time mightin it precious...and them dont taste so nice do they..no...GOLLUM)solar radiation,icecap melts,increased seizmic activity...uhmmmm.

Now you want to view the data and say they has been approx 170 reversals in earths past,theys also depending on which science doctrine you choose to champion plenty of obliquity changes.Its not rocket science to see a logical relationship here.But since all science is the best guess so far scenario,hey kinda like religion its what you want to believe i suppose.

That does fall into the category of nonsense.

 

A pole reversal is doubtless a dramatic event' date=' but there is serious doubt that its consequences are cataclysmic. Some of the predicted consequences have included:

Elimination of the ozone layer with consequent increase in cancer, especially skin cancers, and in mutations.

Navigational disaster for whales, homing pigeons and the like.

Major power outages and disruption of electrical distribution systems.

Major climatic changes as the atmosphere expands (or is it contracts?)

Functional disorders in human brain operation.

 

It is now thought doubtful that any but the navigational problems would arise. Why? The field does not vanish, but changes in character, so that a measure of protection is still in place.

 

But even if all these events were to occur they are all superficial, effecting the atmosphere and the biosphere, but having no effect upon the body of the earth.

 

What is your evidence for claiming a relationship between the two?[/quote']

Hope this nonsense helps explain it as i never said a pole shift would cause an axiel shift only that it was possible.Saying my post is nonsense doesnt instill the greatest of enthusiasm on my part,however!!!.Im glad you refer to a magnetic reversal as some superficial event.And that the field doesnt vanish just changes in character.I hope for our sakes your ill informed scenario is the case.

Heres my view based on facts, painting a less rosey future.You know reversals have taken place in the past,We can see such records of past events embedded in iron minerals in ancient lavabeds.Some of which show that it can last for thousands of years,Were our planet is battered by solar radiation.(kinda what happened to Mars when its magnetic field failed permanently and ummm its atmosphere boiled away)Rather than the hopefull change in character the magnetic field will dissappear prior to its re-emergence in a reversed orientation,It could be as little as a few weeks or as i said it has taken a little longer(smiles).A minor inconvenience the ice caps melting,resulting in earths imbalance.Then tectonic plates movements are speeded to counter the imbalance and ooops did earth just shake its tic-tacs at me.

 

Unfortunately i dont have the insentive to go searching for links,but if you would like to research it further you could google worst case scenario's.

A magnetic pole shift and a rotational axis shift are not the same thing.

Thats correct but the former and all the cataclysm that follows can cause the latter.

I never put my birthday in my profile simply because it isnt relevent but if anyone wants to use paypal to send me some money,let me know and i will give you the details my birthday is Dec19.

I cannot see why religeous people find evolution so awfull to take in.I believe god the creator and the processes of evolution.The whole of nature,how ever much we think we know it is a constant wonder,Instead of being negative,take a look and be amazed by all gods work.I really see only one problem that these people believe God is a being.

I havent read all of the thread yet but id like to offer some information if i may. Did anyone know that a shift in the earths magnticic field has tilted the earth in the past,bearing in mind thats what is going on at present.

sorry yes it does

Everything happened in the past,many years ago and yesterday.It is nice to think that what if !!but unfortunately thats our lott.Just like the grandfather paradox, its silly to contemplate ever travelling back in time.You were not there then so you will never be there.The only logical scenario would be if ever there was such a thing as time travel,one could only travel back to the time when the first TT machine was made.And then the same rules apply,you could at best only go back as an observer.

r1dermon totally agree with your post.Although it would have been devastating to elect Kerry it should not detract from the points you made.Unfortunately in todays climate Bush was the only logical choice .His thick as cow poo, has no leadership qualities,hence ideal for the military to use as a puppet president.Which i will endorse every single time.It would be suicide to elect a liberal at this moment in time.The world is in the grip of do-goodies,political correctness.And they are too many evil people who have no scrupples in carying out another 9/11.

not all of use americans are like bush spaceman. There is atleast, maybe, 3 of us, that care about the rest of the world

No seriously pm me,are you serious about being an american and not only caring for the environment,but actually realise that global warming is happening.Im sincere and am befuddled by your statement.If i may ive got loads of questions i would like to ask

I hate wasps though ,they are evil creatures i kill on site does anyone know there purpose,or what benefits they contribute

'']And "permanent" magnets are not permanent. It takes a long time, but they will lose their magnetism eventually.

show me the evidence to back this claim,subjunk as already said my point of view,and i find him quite interlectual

As i said in post 7 see!!!,point made

As for trolling i dont,but the very way you come across insights negative comments.I cannot be held responsible for your personality problems,or lack of humour

hahaha nice reply but there is no reason to react like that,I said it for the simple or less educated here.You could have just said we need currency because resourses vary in value,as in no i want 3 cocks for 1 siemese pusssiee

I do yes polararized and depolarized,sodium ions,pottasium ions...how does this help our model?

i know you dont mate,but were not talking here of involuntary responses like pulling your hand away from a hot cup.were talking mouse cells in jelly controlling the axis of a commodore 64 graphically challenged aeroplane and keeping it aloft.if the computer sends an electrical signal to the cells.Its going left...left....left man...LEFT..LEEEEEEFT !!!!!.why would the cells send a signal to move the plane in the opposite direction.Why would its response if thats what it does, not send the signal to go left, up,down etc and just be a random none defined series of pulses,because it was only responding to stimulus and electrical impulses to it.

Or are you just poking fun and winding me up !! lol in advance

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I tried a similar experiment with my hamster,whilst still alive i tied it down to a peice of cardboard with cellotape,cut away with a scalpel from my microscope kit a portion of its skull.Taking two pieces of copper fuse wire i gently inserted each in the temporal lobes of its brain.i made a crude jack at the other end and plugged this into the 2 player gamepad socket of my playstation.I loaded Fifa 2004and at half-time i was cruising 3-0,but low and behold the hamster soon picked the game up and kicked my butt 5-3

Currency is a necessary abstraction layer if you have resources with vastly different intrinsic values.

Your comments are callow,could you provide exegesis to this imbroglio?

its only a bit of fun saya but its my belief if you cannot make yourself understood by an audience of people,in simple words and phrases,then your full of shite.Dont take that as an attack,as i said its just fun

Saya you of all people here i respect the most,not for your maturity but your down to earth common sense.

In order to respond you must understand /comprehend/have a concept of just what your responding to.When you like all of us were a child learning to walk,the very first time you fell flat on your face like a cardboard cutout.You understood the fact that "hey if i dont put my hands out,i will smash my face in again and that hurts"

You fully understand the proccesses at work.

How could a petrie dish with a few brain cells,re-establish links to each other and correct the pitch/altitude of the plane sim,with no concept of why it should do this.You could run a thousand fold experiments wereby the plane always pitched to the left and crashed and burnt,without thought or understanding why would they correct it.

Its like placing a goldfish beside the pond,its one leap from freedom yet it doesnt comprehend the pond,even if it had came from that pond and only recently was in captivity.

Its only my opinion but if this experiment were true,then the cells must have consciousness,intellect,thought and memory.When ants leave the nest to get aphids to milk,they go get the aphid,they dont get outside and forget why they left.Insects dont have a brain granted,but they must have a neurological network that constitutes a brain