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  1. 2 hours ago, exchemist said:

    I think Big Pharma will be speaking of innovation in the sense of product development rather than ab initio research. Product development is extremely costly  - and high risk.  

    This is especially true for trials, though at the same time, there is the argument that in the USA the balance might be a bit off. After all, innovation happens at similar or lower rates in countries where pharmaceutical prices are regulated. That is not to say that they have no role- quite the contrary. While many pharmaceutical discovery is probably more prevalent in academia, bringing them to market often requires the formation of a spin-off to finance the necessary steps. But one could make the argument that this is less innovation, but more routine development.

  2. 2 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

    One of the most common defences by Big Pharma for price gouging is that it will affect innovation. Not much of a leg to stand on, it seems to me. People on your level should be more vocal and tell them to stop misleading the public and naive politicians.

    Well, for starters we cannot afford lobbyists. One should perhaps also note that price gouging is a bigger issue in the US where prices are mostly unregulated. There are studies out there showing that while the US spends more on prescription drugs, but relative to spending does not provide more development than other countries. Some countries with strong pharmaceutical companies (UK, Switzerland) are more productive in that regard. And I do think that lawmakers and companies are well aware of that. 

  3. 20 minutes ago, swansont said:

    If you’re going to discuss commerce you could at least do some rudimentary cost analysis.

    “Usually, museums and research institutions spend about $10,000 for big excavations, which covers the cost for scientists to travel to the field and dig up fossils, as well as properly excavate and prepare them”

    (it helps that you can get volunteers, or even people that pay for the privilege, to work on the digs) 

    https://www.livescience.com/62745-dinosaur-auction-paleontologists-angry.html#:~:text=Usually%2C museums and research institutions,and prepare them%2C Polly said.

    Even at ten times that, if you can find a million dollars in fossils, it’s quite profitable.

    Now compare that with the cost of a trip to the moon. And consider whether the market would saturate and drive the value of a moon rock down if the focus was on hailing back moon rocks.

    I am surprised as it sound fairly low. Travel and accommodations alone would eat a fair chunk of it. Heck, I pay as much if I need get a tech in to do repairs that I cannot do myself.

    20 minutes ago, Photon Guy said:

    From what I've seen in terms of technological advancements it appears companies do lots of research with the advancements they make. You see it with cars, computers, you name it. 

    Not really, the do applied research and especially development. But most fundamental developments are either academic or spun of from there. It is not that they no innovative role, but it is fairly rare that they fundamental research and it has become rarer over time. In the 50s there was quite a bit of overlap, but that has mostly vanished.

  4. 13 minutes ago, Photon Guy said:

    Im arguing for stuff such as space research and dinosaur research to be not just government funded but also for companies to get involved with such stuff.

    If it does not generate profit, they won't do it. If it generates profit, then it will take precedence over insights. As such, companies are really not suited for explorative research, but they do well in the applied field. The insights will take a back seat every time (also addressing potential harms, because they want to the public to pay for that).

  5. 6 minutes ago, exchemist said:

    What about Starlink, then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink

     

    But I’m now confused as to what you are arguing for. It’s clear that private enterprise can do a good job of research when there is an identifiable commercial goal. But it is equally clear that other, more fundamental,  types of research are also needed for science to progress. Governments have always realised this, which is why state-funded research programmes continue to be supported.

    None of this is new.

    And not only that, it is known that public funded research stimulates private research. Estimates have shown that for each 1$ invested in public research, it stimulates around 0.5-2.5$ in private R&D. 

    But perhaps more importantly, I would rather have a public fight regarding what to fund or not, rather than having a few ultra-rich folks determine it.

  6. 1 hour ago, Photon Guy said:

    And like it or not space exploration is going in the direction of being privately funded. We've got companies such as Space X and Blue Origin. In the future going into space might be as simple as getting on a plane, or getting on a bus, or even getting in a car. In a future where spacecraft are as common and as readily available as automobiles I couldn't imagine the space industry not being run by private companies. 

    It is really unlikely that spacecrafts are becoming commodities like cars. But assuming there is going to be commercialized space travel, it likely would require at least a higher level of regulation than current air flights. Research in the hands of companies is usually narrowly focused, and a really bad vehicle to gain insights (rather than profits). Companies rarely do any kind of explorative research as the cost/benefit ratio is not in their favour. Also, academic researchers have to demonstrate feasibility of their projects and whereas companies only need to sell the idea to investors. NASA would have not been able to burn through so many failed rockets as SpaceX which has implications on how to do things (for better or for worse). This becomes really problematic when it can impact things like environmental or human health, for example.

  7. 2 hours ago, Agent Smith said:

    That's on target, but not all viruses are like that. Per my files (rather outdated), the polio virus has not undergone any significant mutation in the last 50 or so years, at least none that would affect the efficacy of the 2 vaccines that are around (one live, the other killed). I wonder why some viruses have such high degrees of genomic instability. There origins too remain a mystery, to me at least. 

    The mechanisms are actually known and is largely related to their replication mechanism. RNA viruses, including poliovirus have fairly high mutation rates and SARS-CoV-2 is actually on the lower end for RNA viruses. Conversely, poliovirus is on the higher end of the scale. Conversely, poliovirus has a much smaller genome (7.5 k vs 30k). 

    The reason why we have so many SARS-CoV-2 variants is likely related to yet another factor, namely the fact that so many people have been infected. For example, at the peak of polio outbreaks in the USA ca. 50k individuals were found to be infected in a year. At the peak of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, the USA had over 900k cases per day.  The high circulation ultimately means more mutations and higher chance of positively selectable traits. 

  8. It really depends on which level you are looking at it. Undergrad? Not so much. There can be differences in how the technical labs are equipped, though in the US (and elsewhere) labs are getting cut because of cost. This trend is less so in countries in which Universities are not funded by tuition. I will also add that having tuition as a significant part of the university budget often creates perverse incentives and often also leads to administrative bloat. Examples include having offices who are actively trying to recruit and attract students, which is largely absent in entirely publicly funded institutions. Likewise, there is more incentive for student retention, which is associated with higher grade inflation. From a student perspective the experience can be better as there is more support (incl. recruitment, accommodation, living space, guidance and career counseling, as well as easier to grieve grades). But it does not mean that the education is better (often the reverse, actually).

    On the graduate level, that depends more on individual researchers than the university per se. I.e. individual profs can run successful groups regardless on which university they are working in. However, there are disparities between countries. The US provides quite a bit of funding for research, but there are quite differences between European countries. Highly ranked universities are often also flush with money and often support profs more with resources to establish successful research programs. 

    That being said, there are many moderately or low ranked universities with good researchers and successful (research) graduate programs. Things are a bit iffier when the University primarily sees itself as a teaching university. There, Profs struggle to maintain a program as they get virtually no support (e.g. no lab space). They therefore rarely have successful programs in natural sciences (though they might have social science programs).

  9. 1 hour ago, Moontanman said:

    Interesting, I wonder how much hand guns account for the injuries or deaths compared to long guns or shot guns. In gun deaths overall handguns are paramount in cause of deaths.

     https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/commonly-used-weapons-for-homicides/

     

    I am fairly sure that if one includes suicide, handguns would play a huge role, though in many ways that is likely a convenience thing. I suspect accidents are also somewhat less likely.

  10. 1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

    I wonder what the relative outcomes are between armed and unarmed homeowners being intruded?

    As mentioned, the data is lacking, but there were a few studies looking into related issues. There is some lack of granularity and I don't think there is a study focusing on a relatively rare event such as home invasion.

    One study looking at a cohort cohabitating with folks with and without gun ownership and they found that although the all-cause mortality was similar, the homicide rate among gun owners was double to those of non-gun owners. Specifically looking at homicides at home, gun owners were about 4x higher at risk. However, the risk of getting killed at home by strangers was only 1.45x higher among gun owners (but therefore still higher) and 7x higher for the risk of getting killed by a spouse or intimate partner.

    So from a high-level view, gun ownership as such does not reduce risk of getting killed, but seemingly in all scenarios (again, from a composite view) increases it.https://doi.org/10.7326/M21-3762

    There are more studies looking into whether gun ownership can be deterrent for burglary and the overall consensus seems to be that it is not the case. However, there is a positive correlation between burglary and gun ownership and it could be that in rough areas folks are more likely to have both, guns and burglaries. 

  11. 6 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

    "Arms" in the constitutional sense were never supposed to be handguns. Militias and armies don't rely on them, they rely on rifles (you get in big trouble calling your rifle a "gun" in the army, I'm told). 

    We could follow the letter of the law and issue a government-manufactured carbine (something like the M1) to every citizen over a certain age. That's all you're allowed to own (unless you have a special permit for collecting, hunting, or other hobbying), and you're not allowed to modify it in any way (15 round clip only). It's to fulfill your duty as part of a well-regulated militia. 

    Maybe, just maybe, we could start to defund some military/police/prison operations and put those funds to work helping people avoid a life of crime and guns. Imagine if our society openly showed it cares more about our freedoms than it cares about putting us in jail!

    That is pretty much the Swiss model. To be honest, I do not think that necessarily the second amendment in itself is a huge issue, but there are cultural issues in the US related to violence and almost casual gun use (and the subset of almost cult-like behaviour in that area).

    Closely related to that, is what effectively is a taboo to do proper research on the subject (with federal agencies crippled in collecting necessary data). 

  12. 11 minutes ago, Bufofrog said:

    It doesn't seem difficult to me either, unfortunately the SC ruled in 2008 that the 2nd amendment says that gun ownership is the right of every citizen.  So now I hope I never accidently cut off someone in traffic or heaven forbid that I get lost and have to turn around in someone's driveway.

    For the latter be sure to follow the "don't be black rule".

    11 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

    Citizen militias are an obsolete military formation. Like taking a knife to a gun fight... as if it has to be said.

    I like the proposal to make the second amendment all about blunderbusses.

  13. 1 hour ago, Otto Kretschmer said:

    Deprivation of what? :) Nutrition or information? Is this the case in developed countries? 

    Well nutrition too of course. But things like sensory input and training. Early studies in the 40s have shown that children with less social interaction (in an orphanage) developed slower and exhibited reduced intellectual (and physical) development. The famous (and cruel) study by Harlow on macaques showed how social deprivation resulted in behavioural issues.

    In other words, the brain requires stimulation to develop. This  not really new and on the neurological levels we also know that neural pathways and connections are formed because they are used (and trimmed when not). So the brain does need a sufficiently stimulating environment to fully blossom. And yes, that can be a problem in developed countries, if, say children do not interact enough with other folks, for example. And I am also a bit curious what effects the use of electronics, such as tablets and cell phones have in childhood. They are certainly stimulating in some ways but are also potentially limiting in others.

  14. 3 hours ago, joigus said:

    From what I've read, neuronal migration, glial growth, etc are perhaps the identifiable biological factors at work when the frontal cortex is developing (up until about 25 yo in most individuals) that are very much affected by the environment. Nurture and nature are both part of Nature because, as George Carlin once pointed out, Nature includes everything, including the oft-misused and abused figure of speech involved in the dichotomy nature/nurture. Developmental processes don't occur in a Petri dish.

    So I agree with most people's observation here, if I understood correctly: Remove the nurture factor and the genius disappears. 

    Especially when it comes to the brain. As we know, deprivation inhibits neuronal development.

  15. One should also add that in pharmaceutical industries, marketing generally has a larger budget than R&D:

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    For example, publicly available financial reports from 1999 to 2018 show that the 15 largest biopharmaceutical companies had total revenues of $7.7tr. Over this period, they spent $2.2tr on costs related to selling, general, and administrative activities and $1.4tr on R&D.

    Depending on where you are (but especially in the US) drug prices are highly inflated. Conversely, it means that the way to increase sales and revenue is indeed via marketing. Specifically for the drug in question generics are available, making it even more important to secure market share.

  16. 4 hours ago, Moontanman said:

    I could see the value in doing it quickly, and if you want it to be a deterrent, publically even but gently... painlessly? Seems a bit oxymoronic doesn't it?  

    Well, it is a bit like a bandaid on the moral issue of killing someone who you have full control over. Basically to make it appear humane (I mean, the guillotine was touted as a humane method, too).

  17. I remember being at a school trip exchange with a Polish school and attending an English lesson. The whole lessons was basically basically bashing the British for putting milk into their tea. They learned phrases like " tastes like gargle water", which I found hilarious and apparently remember to this day.

  18. This rather morbid situation does illuminate a few things, though. First, the process used clearly did not induce unconsciousness immediately and second, death did not occur soon after a minute or so (which is more in line with the animal tests).

    Whether the issue is delivery or the process itself might be unclear, but clearly the assumptions did not stand up to empirical evidence.

  19. The issue with rats is that you cannot really ask them how they feel, but folks derive it rom their responses (i.e. heart rate, twitching etc.). In one report (which was used as basis for developing eat euthanasia guidelines) the conclusion was basically

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    We conclude that CO2 effectively produced unconsciousness and euthanasia, but we were unable to ascertain distress. Ar also appears effective but produced hyperreflexia and tachycardia. N2 was ineffective.

    (Shar, Azar and Lawson, J American Assoc for Laboratory Animal Science, 2006)

    In another study on mice, argon also caused gasping behaviour, and since it took longer than CO2 was considered a worse alternative.

    That being said, I did a quick search and there is a paper from 2019 which does suggest that in mice and in a slower fill scenario N2 exposure resulted in less overall activity. They do mention that further work is needed to figure out its suitability for euthanasia. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0210818

    That all being said, it really doesn't move the needle on the ethical limits of executions.

    4 hours ago, exchemist said:

    Strange. I would have expected CO2 to be far more uncomfortable than nitrogen, given that, at least as I understand it, the breathing reflex, i.e. a sense of suffocation,  is driven by the concentration of CO2 in the blood rather than the level of oxygen. Have I got this wrong or are there other effects at play? 

    IIRC it was assumed to be driven by a pH shift and associated activation of a fear response pathway in the amygdala. These likely won't activate under nitrogen.

  20. I don't think helium was considered, but argon was. Here, similarly to N2 distress reactions (gasping, elevated heart rates, seizures) were observed. As distressing as CO2 is, other methods seem to be worse (in rats, that is).

    Edit: as mentioned, I really know about rats, but it seems helium has been considered a form of painless asphyxia. It is a tad more expensive, though (but for executions it should not really matter). I also do not know whether studies actually have monitored how painless it really is.

  21. 28 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

    Any thoughts on the potential outcomes this? From what understand, if done correctly with no significant rebreathing of carbon dioxide, they should be unconconcious in a few breathes. If it carries out without incident, the 'cruel and unusual' label won't stand anymore.

    I actually don't know whether there is good data on it for humans. In rats, N2 is not considered an effective means of euthanasia (whereas CO2 is allowed, mostly in conjunction with a secondary euthanasia method).

    In rat studies, exposure to 100% N2 induced  hyperreflexia (twitching) and unconsciousness after 3 minutes and death took over 7 minutes (30s and 2.5 mins for CO2 no twitching, reduction in heart rate and respiration). There is also a higher risk that animals recovered after assumed death.

    I would think that a method not considered suitable for rats would also not be considered suitable for humans.

     

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