SamCogar

Yes I have. I was awarded an AB Degree with a Major in the Biological Sciences and a Minor in the Physical Sciences, ….. @ GSC in 63'. That doesn't impress me in the least. "Consensus of opinions" is neither science fact or evidence. Now that's a prime example of why there would be no need or desire for "inventing" something to "get the job done quicker". Don't be fergettin that western Europeans have been given credit for inventing things ….. that the Chinese had been using for hundreds of years. (paper making, printing press. gunpowder, the compass, mechanical clocks)

And you accepted that as a literal fact without questioning your instructor's wild accusations that he/she would have no knowledge whatsoever about the daily life of Neolithic hunter/gathers. Iffen those Neolithic hunter/gathers were hunting and gathering their daily food needs from an aquatic habitat (rivers, lakes, tidal zones) then 2-4 hours per day would surely be sufficient time. "HA", you just proved me correct. Your Uncle was far too busy just trying to survive to even think about paying any attention to someone like you who didn't have to work to survive and had plenty of free time for thinking up what your Uncle considered crazy ideas.

In actuality, there is not much difference in the “climate of inventions” over the last 5,000 years (or 50K years for that matter) than there is in today’s “climate of inventions”. Like the people of yesteryears, the people of today who are forced to spend most of their awake hours just trying to stay alive, ….. really don’t have any idle time to be thinking about inventing something. Those persons who didn’t/don’t have to work for a living have plenty of free time to be inventing, painting, researching, sculpturing, etc., etc. Iffen one had a rich benefactor ….. or was a sailor in olden times, pre-19th Century, …. then one had considerable “free time” for thinking n’ inventing. Great point, a small metallic iron meteorite would surely make a great hammerstone for napping flint, ……. which would surely cause "sparks" to fly every now n' then.

I’m kinda sorta curious as to what were the credentials of the person or persons who created the IQ Tests for “testing” the various animal species that resulted in the scientifically factual claim that, …. to wit: “The RATIO of brain mass to body mass is a reliable guide to the intelligence of the members of a specific animal species.” And just how was it possible for the aforesaid person or persons to create a reliable IQ Test for testing a member or members of the aforesaid animal species without being capable of “intelligently” communicating directly with the different test subjects? Members of several different animal species are not only capable of common sense thinking, logical reasoning and intelligent deductions ……. but are also capable of abstract thinking. But the aforenoted mental attributes pretty much have to be recognized when observed by a person, ….. they can’t really be tested for. Crows, squirrels, dogs, horses, orcas, etc., etc. are extremely intelligent animals.

Iffen Sapiens sapiens emigrants traveled as far as Israel sometime between 200,000 and 180,000 YBP ……. then there is no reason to believe that they couldn‘t have migrated as far west as present day France by 175,000 YBP. To wit:

Given the fact that the stalagmite structure was situate at a distance of 336 meters (1,102 feet) from the entrance of the cave, its intended purpose could very well have been a cistern. Cave living by Neanderthals seemed to be the norm, especially during the brutal ice age winters, but establishing their living quarters 1,100 feet back in a cave would pose a horrendous problem of transporting a sufficient supply of wood for burning 24/7 for weeks at a stretch. But a per se, in-house (in-cave) water cistern situate 1,100 feet back in their cave would be a “luxury” worth having during those aforesaid “brutal ice age winters” when most every water source outside the cave was either frozen solid or buried under snow and ice. Iffen Neanderthals were smart enough to make stone axes and to be tool-making “flint nappers”, then surely they were smart enough to be cistern builders, whether it was inside of a cave or outside at the site of a natural spring.

YUP, your denoted “degeneration” is more commonly referred to as “aging”. And DNA degeneration in/of brain neurons does occur via the action of diseases such as Alzheimer's. And RA causes both degeneration and/or “bad” mutations in/of the DNA of body cells. And 95+% of all bodily cancers are the result of “bad” mutations in/of the DNA of body cells. I don’t think you understand how human sexual reproduction actually functions. Nor the differences between sex cell (egg and sperm) and other body cells. Environmentally nurtured knowledge/intelligence is stored in the DNA of brain neurons (cells) …… and brain neurons are not sex cell (egg or sperm), therefore, the learned knowledge of the biological parents can not be inherited by the offspring. All cells within the body contain the exact same genetically inherited data/info, …… but only the environmentally “sensed” info/data is stored in the brain’s neurons. And only the “self-nurtured” info/data is store in the DNA of both voluntary and involuntary muscle cells …. such as “learning” to control one’s sphincter muscles, vocal cord muscles, …. or learning to ride a bicycle or dribble a basketball. “Yup”, that was kinda, sorta like … exactly what I was saying. The function and purpose of all body cells is specifically dependent upon said cell’s location in the body. Such as, cells in/on one’s leg function like “leg cells” are suppose to “function”, …… but iffen leg cell are surgically “grafted” in/on one’s arm then they will function like “arm cells” are supposed to “function”. And remember, only “parts” or ”pieces” of the environmentally sensed info/data is stored in each individual neuron …….. and only “new” info/data is stored, no redundant data is stored. And said “parts” or ”pieces” of associated data/info in said neurons are conjoined via synaptic links which permits “recall” of said partial/total environmental experience. To wit:

A Logical Perspective on the Origins of Homo sapiens sapiens A genetically created, biological procreating, environmentally nurtured humanoid The Origins of Homo sapiens sapiens, otherwise known as humanoids or humans, has been a controversial subject for eons and eons. Or to be more exact, ever since any particular isolated group of humans became sufficiently nurtured by their environment to begin questioning their own origins or existence. There are three (3) schools of thought concerning the origins of humans. The 1st one is based in/on Religious beliefs that the heavens, the earth and everything upon the earth is the product of a Creator, a God. The 2nd one is based in/on the Science that the universe and the earth is the product of the “Big Bang” and that all life forms past and present is the product of Evolution of the Species via “natural selection and decent with modification”. Of course, within the above, one can either choose the "Out of the trees and across the hot African savannah evolutionary path" ……… or the "Out of the trees and a leisurely life evolving on the shore in close proximity with a food rich saltwater habitat". The 3rd one, on which the following commentary is predicated, is rooted in the 2nd one above, ….. but is based in/on the logical possibility of a group of intelligent alien explorers migrating to planet earth and via DNA modifications (horizontal gene transfers or Intelligent Design) to selected members of a now extinct species of the Family of Great Apes, ……. which resulted in the biological creation of humans in their present form, for the purpose of serving the “will and pleasure” of said alien explorers. The intelligent entity responsible for the DNA modifications of an extant species of the hominidae family (Great Apes) that resulted in the origin of the genus Homo are, for unknown reasons, long gone from the earth, leaving only two (2) factual records of them ever being here. One of said records is the fossils of several now extinct species of Homo with us humans being the only surviving member of the Homo lineage. The other record being the hundreds of archeological “clues” that pretty much dictates that a highly intelligent entity with the necessary resources and/or tools were responsible for their construction. We know this to be a fact because many of said historical sites have been, and still are, being researched and/or investigated to determine the means and methods of exactly how they were constructed. We do not know the actual answers to these queries. The per said, personality of a few of the aforementioned historical construction sites would defy the abilities of present day humans to recreate, even with their access to current technology and tools. Thus, said constructions give reasons and purpose as to why an intelligent entity, or group of alien explorers of this planet, would have need for the creating of a “labor force” that could be nurtured to perform whatever type of work or service that they wanted them to perform. The alien explorers would also have had the means and methods to “cull” the procreating humanoid population so as to only retain the humanoids with the most desirable attributes to serve their intended purpose(s). Even in present times, this is still a standard practice in animal husbandry, as well as in the “selective” breeding of other species of animals. Also, selected individuals of various animal species are being nurtured by their owners or caregivers, beginning soon after their birth, to perform or serve whatever “labor force” purpose their caregiver chooses. We humans have now become what we were originally created to be. The intelligent entity or alien explorers, given their absence, were no longer directing and/or controlling the nurturing of the humanoid population. Thus, all humanoids born after said aliens “vanished” became totally dependent upon their environment to nurture them and all newborn humans became almost totally dependent upon their parent(s) or guardians for their care and nurturing if they were to become social members of their family unit, tribe, group or culture. The reason for said “vanishing” of the alien explores could be one of several reasons. One possibility is that they simply decided to “go back home” from whence they came. But the highly probable reason is that their humanoid “labor force” rebelled against their control and authority and destroyed them. And in doing so, the humanoids also destroyed everything that reminded them of their per say enslavement by the alien explorers except for the now present remains of ancient stone-work construction, etc. This would explain why there has never been found any tools, or records of tools, that would have been required to perform the aforesaid construction. We are what our environment nurtures us to be. Upon gaining their freedom from their enslavers, small groups of the now human population wandered off in all directions to fend for themselves. And in doing so, these now isolated groups were dependent upon their new environments to nurture them with the means to survive. As they learned new and better survival traits from their environments they became quite successful as hunter-gathers at finding sufficient food resources for their survival. As the population of these groups increased the need for social rules and guidance became necessary for their survival. Thus a leader was either chosen or the strongest member of the group took control and rules of social conduct were established by proxy or by the individual leaders themselves. In the latter situation the rules of conduct could change each time a new leader took control. A need for religious beliefs arises. As the individuals within these groups became more intelligent and knowledgeable of their environment they began to question those things they were subjected to that they didn’t understand, including thunder, lightning, the seasons and their own origins. And when such questions arise in social groups of humans their leader(s) were queried for an answer to them. But their leaders no longer had any memories of, or the access to any of the alien explorers that originally created humans, to nurture them on their origins, or any historical records that would explain things to them. Therefore, the leaders and/or oldest members of these isolated groups were forced to use their imagination to create acceptable “reasons” for said origins in order to appease the curiosity of the individuals in said group. Thus Gods and Goddesses were thought up to “explain the unexplainable”. And the isolation of the different groups of humans resulted in differences in their imagined “reasons”, otherwise known as “religious beliefs”. Our knowledge of said religious beliefs are recorded in both the archeological and historical records of past cultural groups, of which some are the root source of most all present day Religions. A per say, ….. Religious belief decent with modifications, ….. from the polytheism worshipping of the past to the monotheism worshipping of the present. Cheers Samuel C Cogar ……….. January 2013

No comments pro or con about the above commentary, ……. HUH? Guess maybe I'll post another one with a different "flavor" to see iffen it will "spark" a reaction.

Oh, I sorry, ……. I thought the question was ……. "transpeciation" as stated by PaulP. So, I was assuming that “transpeciation” could be best explained by "horizontal gene transfers" during the Cambrian “Explosion” Period when most major animal phyla began appearing in the fossil record, ……. or at any time during the past 500mya, …… or in bio-genetic labs during the past 30 years, ….. that has resulted in new species, sub-species, new varieties, etc., etc., …… but is apparently not considered “evolution of the species”, ……. Right?

Sure is, and PaulP can observe it happening iffen he chooses to. To wit: the transformation of a caterpillar to a butterfly, for one example. Transpeciate - to change from one species to another; to transform. Metamorphosis - a conspicuous and relatively abrupt change (transformation) in the animal's form or structure through cell growth and differentiation. And "HA", ….. maybe caterpillars and butterflies should be declared "separate species" because they are incapable of sexual reproduction.

Great post delboy. And "yup", mosquitoes certainly benefit themselves. And mosquitoes also benefit the malaria parasite called a Plasmodium, as well as the yellow fever virus. Of course humans don't think that is being "beneficial" and thus the reason they are always trying to kill all of those mosquitoes.

NOTE: I wrote the following commentary in April 2013, in response to the following “italicized” statement that was posted on a “news forum”, ….. and decided to post a portion of it hereon to see what sort of responses it would “trigger”, …… to wit, enjoy: “I have yet come across an understandable explanation how the brain stores memory. Most likely because there has yet to be any real understanding.” Thus, given the above, I would like to offer my learned opinion on said in hopes that it might provide a better understanding of how and/or where the brain stores information. Or at the very least, “spark” a discussion that will lead to or result in a better understanding about said First, I will post some quoted commentary that should provide a generalized understanding of post-birth brain development and the role that one’s environment plays in the nurturing (learning or data sensing/storing) and the wiring of their brain, to wit: Brain structure is not genetically determined. How the brain develops hinges on a complex interplay between the genes you're born with and the experiences you have. Clear evidence has emerged that suggests that activity, experience, attachment, and stimulation determine the structure of the brain. Early experiences directly affect how the brain is "wired." At birth, baby's brain is remarkably unfinished. Most of its 100 billion neurons are not yet connected in networks. Some neurons are programmed for specific functions-breathing and heartbeat, but most are not yet designated for tasks and are waiting for the experiences in the environment to determine their function. Connections are created by the sensory experiences-seeing, smelling, touching, and especially tasting, stimulate the growth of neural connections. Forming and reinforcing these connections are the key tasks of early brain development. Read more @: http://www.multcolib.org/birthtosix/braindev.html I would now like to specifically address the above comment in hopes that I might be able to provide some better understanding as to how and/or where the brain stores “memory”. And the first thing one has to acquire is a better understanding of the fact that the word “memory” is a descriptor word that is used for describing both the data/information that is being stored and/or recalled ….. as well as the device said data/information is recorded in/on. Thus said, there is a big difference between “stored memory” data and data ”memory storage” because the former is the “data” and the latter is the “device” ….. and one should always denote the difference when engaging in a technical discussion on the brain/mind. And secondly, every cell in the body of a living organism, animal or plant, contains stored data/information, but the word “memory” is only applicable to the animal species that have a brain that is capable of consciously recalling (remembering) of environmentally sensed data/information. DNA or inherited info …… and muscular or muscle control info …. are also stored in cells but neither one can be consciously recalled. And speaking of “consciously recalling”, one needs to acquire the understanding that there is both a conscious mind and a subconscious mind with the conscious mind being that which the “person” perceives he/she to be, ….. to be thinking, dreaming, seeing, saying, feeling, etc. And the understanding that their conscious mind is subservient to their subconscious mind …. which does all the processing of the sensed environmental data, …. the storing and recalling of “memory storage” data ….. and controls all communications with the conscious mind, voluntary muscles, body organs, etc. And that the “mind”, both conscious and subconscious, it not a physical entity ….. but a, per say, process or “operating program”. Also that the word ‘unconscious’ should only be used in reference to the conscious mind because the subconscious mind is never unconscious nor does it ever asleep. Most every species of animal is capable of sensing and storing environmentally sensed data/information and their subconscious mind is capable of reacting to it if it is again sensed on future occasions, …… regardless of whether or not said information is presented to their conscious mind, the majority of which is not if the conscious mind is asleep. Likewise, some plant species are also capable of “sensing” environmentally transmitted data/information and reacting to it in a defensive manner to discourage predators. To wit: Ref: Leaves signal presence of predators - https://asknature.org/strategy/leaves-signal-presence-of-predators/#.WpBPReRy5PY Ref: Antelope activate the acacia’s alarm system - https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12717361-200-antelope-activate-the-acacias-alarm-system/ Genetic memory verses Environmental memory We know there is sufficiently enough "genetic memory" data in each egg and sperm, ..... after they combine into a single cell fertilized egg, ...... to control and/or direct mitosis (cell division) of said egg as it grows (divides) into an adult human of billions of cells .... and to give direction and purpose to each of those billions of cells depending upon where they are located within the human body. But now, even though both brain neuron cells and body cells contain the same "genetic memory" data (same DNA)....... the "environmental memory" data stored in body cells is not the same as the "environmental memory" data that is stored in "neuron" brain cells. In other words, the "environmental memory" data that in stored in body cells is dependent upon the cell's location within the human body. And thus I am supposing that every cell has the storage potential of both "genetic memory" data and "environmental memory" data ..... and that both are stored within the Chromosomes or DNA in each cell ..... and the latter is only relevant depending on the cell's location in the human body. And I am supposing said because it makes no logical sense that evolution would evolve or create redundant or different entities for performing the same function of data/information storage. One could say that some muscle cells have "environmental memory" because they can be nurtured to react (a per say reflex action) to different environmental stimuli as well as to "conscious thought" requests. Is not the "learning to ride a bicycle" the same as nurturing the mental memories of the appendage muscles? And is not the "learning to speak the vocal sounds of a language" the same as nurturing the mental memories of the vocal cord muscles? And given the fact that "new" neurons are constantly being created and "linked" to existing neurons, .... the capacity of a human's physical "mental memory" is only limited by their skull size. Excluding the "ageing process", ..... that is,

Given the scientific claims that the last of the Neanderthals perished some 40,000 or so years BP, how can anyone make a comparison of the evolution of modern human (Homo sapien sapien) intelligence and the intelligence of an extinct hominin (Homo neanderthalensis)?

Since someone coined a new word, …… "de-evolution", …… without defining what it meant, then I was at liberty for opting for definition #2, ……. to wit: 2. the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form. And the effects of RA is a development of something complex to a more simple non-functioning form, …….. right? There is no rules or laws that prohibits one from coining a new word, or a new definition for an old word, ……. but they definitely should define or specify what their intended meaning/definition is for said newly coined verbiage. Cheers, Sam C

Because RA is noted for slowly de-evolving the bone joints and cartilage from what they originally evolved to be, thus rendering the effected areas with up to 100% loss of use.

The above two (2) pages of comments made for an interesting read. Bout the only example of De-evolution that I can think of would be a few of the dastardly effects of rheumatoid arthritis. And “no”, animals, human or otherwise, are NOT born with an inherent fear of known predators simply because newborns DON’T KNOW what a predator is ……. and “evolution” does not know, nor can it predict, the different types of predators that might be resident in the locale where the birth occurs. Most all newborn(s) of the higher animal species are born with “survival instincts” that are encoded in their DNA. And, IMLO, one of the more important of said instincts is the instinctual drive of the maturing “newborn(s)” is to pay close attention to the environmentally sensed “actions” of their parent or guardian and if the parent/guardian displays signs or sounds of fear, fright, anger or pain ….. then the maturing “newborn(s)” will react accordingly and are also likely to remember (nurture) said “causes and reactions”. Inherited survival instincts are not the same as ….. environmentally nurtured actions and/or reactions.

My source says different.

There is a large rectangular box, fashioned out of a single piece of stone, that is situate in the Great Pyramid. But that stone box is not a sarcophagus because it did not have a stone lid (covering) .... nor is it adorned with any graphics or inscriptions. As a matter of fact, there is absolutely no sculpture, graphics or inscriptions to be found anywhere within the confines of the Great Pyramid. And given the fact that the Great Pyramid was originally encased, all four (4) sides, top to bottom, with pure white limestone, including the entrance way, resulting in an extremely smooth highly reflective surface ....... means there was no sculptures, graphics or inscriptions on the exterior surface. And a 2nd historical fact is, ...... there never was an Egyptian Ruler or Pharaoh that order the construction of anything that he/she didn't also order his//her, per se, "signature" carved everywhere in it or on it. The Egyptians just "laid claim" to the Sphynx and the Great Pyramid after they were forced to migrate out of the Sahara and across north Africa to the Nile River delta/valley.

Well now, swansont and Lord Antares, I sincerely apologize to each of you for ever doubting the brilliance of your learned knowledge of paleoanthropology, ..... but, .... I personally think that both of you are doing a disservice to the science for keeping the "evidence" you speak of a "secret" from the scientific community. By the way, I just hafta ask ,,,,, does your "secret" evidence support the Multiregional Continuity Model of human origins or the Out of Africa Model of human origins? OH, MY, MY, ....... one of you, swansont or Lord Antares, please explain to me exactly what this statement means, to wit: As soon as one of you tell me "how that transformation occurred" ....... then I will almost be as intelligent as you two are.

Sorry, dimreepr, .... I made no claim about robots, human or otherwise. You need to direct your question to the party making the "robot" claim.

Yup, and there are remnants of physical structures on the earth’s surface that were constructed thousands of years earlier than 5,000 years ago, .....via use of technology that the humans of 5000 years ago couldn't even conceive of …… and that present day humans still do not have the technology to reproduce those same structures in their completed original form. To wit, three (3) of said ancient structures: The Great Pyramid of Giza, The Great Pyramid of Giza is the most substantial ancient structure in the world - and the most mysterious. According to prevailing archaeological theory - and there is absolutely no evidence to confirm this idea - the three pyramids on the Giza plateau are funerary structures of three kings of the fourth dynasty (2575 to 2465 BC). The World’s First Temple, Gobekli Tepe What makes Gobeklitepe unique in its class is the date it was built, Carbon-dating shows that the complex is at least 12,000 years old, maybe even 13,000 years old. The stone ruins of Puma Punku, Bolivia. Puma Punku in Bolivia is one of the world’s most mysterious ancient sites. This remains true for both academic archaeologists and historians as well as rogue historians who investigate the hypothesis of advanced prehistoric civilizations or ancient assistance from extraterrestrials. And then there are these that need explanations, to wit: Mysterious Prehistoric Artifacts (Photos) Pictures of nine (9) items of unknown origin.

YADA, YADA, YADA, ……… where was/is your “burden of proof” demands for the creators/originators of the other models? Where was/is your demands that the creators/originators of the other models provide actual, factual physical evidence to support their models? Why are you obsessed with …… demanding that I provide actual, factual physical evidence to support my per se “model” of/for origins, ……….. while at the same time …… you have bestowed permission upon the creators/originators of the other “model” of origins to claim, infer, assert, etc., whatever the ell they want to claim, infer, assert, etc., without any physical evidence whatsoever to support their claims or their model? If I had introduced a discussion of the generally accepted or preferred "model" of origins ........... would your "burden of proof" demands for providing actual, factual physical evidence been presented in response to my posting of said? I don't think so.

Fixed that for you. Shur nuff, you just confirmed a literal fact that those persons who are completely devoid of any learned knowledge, ideas or intelligent thoughts about the mammalian brain's ability to generate "information content" transmissions inclusive to the brain itself that is best described as being a false "live action video" that is referred to as a "dream" or "dreaming" .......... will, more often than not, claim that they don't "care to offer their learned opinion" on or about the biological fact that "dreaming" is an extremely important function to insure "survival of the fittest members of the species". Humans are not the only mammal, or primate, or hominoid, ....... that is capable of "dreaming". Therefore, ...... "dreaming" is in fact, ........ an inherited survival trait.

HA, "dreaming" robots, huh? And just what reason would a robot have for "dreaming" pornographic dreams? And "live action" pornographic dreams, ...... ta boot. OOPS, I shudda said .... "wet dreams", ...... so everyone would know what "pornographic" means.