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my take on your possible titles:
2) Geek Seekers: catcy' date=' and doesn't give much information on the plot, but doesn't exactly fit the story. SFN members can be thought of as geeks as much as the trolls, especially considering the opening scene.[/quote']My idea was for SFN to be seeking geeks, to wage war on the trolls. Thus SFN members are the GeekSeekers looking for new members with this flash movie. Sort of an indoctrination film.
The bait to catch the trolls, with a pun on "debate".3) Debate to Catch DeTrolls: i don't understand this.
You got it, that's what I had in mind.and about the Opening scene, there are some details you missed that might be important (especially for the visual artist).-the logo: what happens to it after it becomes centered on the back of the T-shirt? should it then stay with the T-shirt, as if printed on it?
I was thinking more along the lines of a zoom or a slow dolly/zoom (as long as it doesn't give the impression of a third party sneaking up behind the person). The door should open up smoothly, simply showing that you are entering a room with a person at a computer. Enough time should be given before the alarms to establish that the person is typing/posting (maybe muttering under his breath).-the door: does it creek open, for the camera to slowly sneak in? is it pushed open, as if by the camera man, for the camera to walk in, or enter at a normal pace? is it slammed open just as the alarms blare, with the camera rushing in to find the action?
Why would he put up BRB if no one will see it? I'm not wedded to this, and I was actually thinking of what he might take with him, but this became too character specific (if he takes his katana is it supposed to be Sayo?). The sign was a way to indicate that the person knew they'd be gone for a while. How about the sign says, "DO NOT SHUT DOWN!"?-the sign: why would he put up a "Gone Fishing" sign in his own room, where only he can see it? i recommend putting a "BRB" sign on the doorknob of the open door while closing it (with the Title still printed on the door).0 -
Government corruption is tied directly to big business interests and always has been. Very few people seek power in government for its own sake. Making or manipulating the rules to benefit those who have the money to pay for it is all too common, probably in every country.
It is so hard to tell a valid contract for "consulting services" never rendered from a kickback. And unless flags are raised that signal something fishy to auditors, it's apparent that billions of dollars can be illegally manipulated by reporting false numbers, "filling the gaps", and padding executive performance bonuses, and in a fairly short period of time at that.
To bring this all back to the OP, isn't the common thread that many of these mega-corps have figured ways to wiggle through our legal system? Isn't the use of plea-bargained testimony simply the last ditch attempt to put the perpretrators behind bars where they belong? They are so good at working the system and are so ultra-rich they can afford legal defenses that stagger the imagination. Are we supposed to let them go free as long as they have covered themselves well enough? How many more are out there who are below the radar of federal auditors, who play the game of screw-the-market-protect-the-stockholders much better than Lay or Scrushy?
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Possible Titles:
1.Troll SurFiN
2. GeekSeekers
3. Debate to Catch DeTrolls
4. SFN: Agents for Truth
Opening scene: We start with the SFN logo on a pale background, then add the Title below it. Hold for a couple of seconds, then the background (which is really a bedroom door), along with the title, opens to reveal an anonymous SFN member from behind (more realistically drawn than the eventual characters will be) seated in front of his/her computer (the logo stays and is now centered on the back of his/her t-shirt. He/she is hunched over the keyboard furiously typing.
Suddenly, a warning light flashes on the computer and a metallic voice says "TROLL ALERT... TROLL ALERT...." He/she reaches into a drawer and hangs up a sign on the shelves in the background that says, "Gone Fishing", then presses ESCAPE on the keyboard and is immediately sucked into the computer screen, where he enters our more toonish, South Park type character world.
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Then everyone involved needs to give those details. I have medium length brownish-blond hair, a mustache and a triangular flavor-saver under my bottom lip, and I wear rimless glasses. I prefer a green t-shirt.
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Visual representations: simple toon-types (similar to South Park), SFN members with t-shirts with their names on them, variable hair color/length, beards, mustaches (I know Mokele has big honkin' sideburns). Can we do this?
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Oh, there's no love lost between Clinton and I. I think he did his share of selling out to big business. As I've said many times before, mega-corporations pay to stay in the faces of politicians in a way voters do not.
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Infinity is not a real number, it's just a representation of an idea.
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I don't want to speculate too much, since it is just that. Since UBS Warburg will not allow an audit of the books of Enron Online from before its acquisition in 2002, we'll probably never know. But since Enron was a prime candidate for book-cooking, it's very suspicious that it was allowed to be sold quietly in a sweetheart deal to a foreign corporation, rather than trying to get more money out of it through the bankruptcy courts.
http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/ebusiness/story/0,10801,67584,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/02/business/business_williams0204.htm
Pangloss, you had brought up the question of whether or not tainted testimony should be allowed when it seems to be the only evidence. When the US Bankruptcy court allows an asset to be sold off before an investigation into its bookkeeping practices can be launched, sometimes tainted eyewitness testimony is all you've got. And when we can't even get the books audited with the aid of a friendly nation like Switzerland, it makes me wonder who the system is helping.
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Since you bring up Enron, I've heard that if the US Bankruptcy court hadn't allowed Enron Online be sold to UBS Warburg (a Swiss corporation, I believe), the evidence in that subsidiary alone would have been enough to put Lay away for the next century. It was quietly done for no money down.Well that's not the case in the Ken Lay prosecution, Douglas. They have physical evidence in the form of written and electronic communication, as I understand it, as well as the testimony of people who aren't being charged with a crime (and therefore aren't receiving plea bargain deals).I think, since the deal entitled Enron to a percentage of future profits, the records should have been obtainable through extradition. But the Swiss have some pretty strict laws and we can't force them to do it. Or we don't want to force them to do it. Or somebody knew we wouldn't want to force them to do it.
Or something.
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Aye, there's the rub. Understanding that the eyewitness testimony is suspect due to the bargain they receive in giving it, it makes it tough unless, by their testimony, the prosecution is able to uncover evidence (yes, even circumstantial) which corroborates the witness account of matters.So it's okay to convict someone based solely on the testimony of plea-bargained witnesses, so long as it's the only way to get that conviction?If it comes down to a case of your-word-against-mine, the testimony will probably be thrown out anyway. If the testimony digs up more dirt, or raises inconsistencies, or causes the defendant to break down at the trial screaming, "YES, I DID IT, I TOLD THEM TO COOK THE BOOKS, MWA-HA-HA-HA!", then yes, I think it's okay to use plea-bargained testimony for a conviction.
Isn't it really the idea of letting the smaller fish off the hook to catch the big one that really rankles? I mean, they were just as guilty even if they were following orders from the CEO. To me, it would seem to encourage this sort of thing, especially if CFOs get the idea that they will incur minimal risk as long as they rat out the big guy.
Who knows, might it not be the financial guys who come to the CEO with book-cooking schemes in the first place, hoping to get the nod and a fat performance bonus from the board of directors come Xmas time?
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Fingerprints on a smoking gun are circumstantial evidence. The victim's blood in a trail of footprints leading away from the body directly to your shoes is still circumstantial evidence.So it's okay to convict someone on circumstantial evidence, so long as it's the only way to get that conviction?Eyewitness testimony of another's deeds is not circumstantial evidence. Or did I miss something? Weren't the CFO's testifying that Scrushy knew about the illegal bookkeeping in some direct manner? I guess I got that inference from your OP, since I'm not that familiar with the case.
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Unfortunately, yes. In these book-cooking instances, it's often the only way to get at the person who gave the nod to the illegalities. I wish there was some way to always insure that the testimony was not completely fabricated in order to get a lighter sentence, but in many cases like the one you mention, the CEO is like the commanding officer in the military, and is ultimately responsible for the actions of those directly under him in the chain of command.Simple question: Should the testimony of convicted criminals who have been offered a plea bargain in exchange for their testimony be sufficient on its own for the prosecution of a third party, given the absence of any other evidence?The plea bargain is a hideous arrangement, imo, but when it nabs those who would otherwise be untouchable, it must be tolerated.
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Because threads like these further our scientific knowledge so much?That sucks these post dont count.0 -
They're everywhere!Interestingly, in your example, Dak's comment is also a strawman, since scientific evidence is not applicable to creationism.Actually, since I used it as the opening argument, it can't be a Straw Man. Had the creationist started the argument with, "Creationism is more logical than evolution", then Dak's statement would be a Straw Man, or a Red Herring at the very least.
Didn't mean to hijack the thread. I wonder what Susan would think?
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It's a form of Red Herring fallacy, where someone uses something semi-related to the argument to throw a line of debate off-course. Where Red Herring leads an opponent down a path that takes him off-topic, Straw Man specifically changes the debate target from a strong position to a weak one:im still a tad confused as to exactly what counts as a strawman.Dak: "Evolution has more scientific evidence to back it up than creationism does."
Creationist: "Like suddenly a creature mutates a complex organ like an eyeball? Come on, evolution is totally ridiculous!"
Notice the creationist invented (set up a man made of straw) a false argument different but similar to the original statement, then refuted that one (knocked the straw man down).
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It was from a thread in Evolution (which you could have found on a Search for Susan Gobblehat) where a troll was flaming Sayo:
May I then assume that it is therefore perfectly appropriate to call you a pompous ass?
Shortly after this post, it became his custom user title.Call me Susan Gobblehat if it makes you happy. I don't care what you think of me.It should be noted that Susan didn't even give the troll a warning for disrespect. I later banned the troll for excessive strawmanning and a trolly agenda in a different thread.
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I normally give a lot of leeway to GD threads, but I see absolutely no value, either for scholarly study or for entertainment, in the speculative discussion of anyone's sexual preferences, dead or alive.
Thread closed.
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You're just lucky I gave you a "spam" warning test. I could have made it a Bananable Offense!You are a spammy' date=' spammy monkey and you asked for this![/quote']I think it's a good system. It's quite fair and forgiving to casual infractions, and gives a suitable level of detail to the offender. It also gives as clear line of responsibility for the warning, which should help keep petty arguments about decisions off the forum, consigning complaints to the PM system.
It isn't spam if you make a valid point.You get more points for posting "LOL" than for posting "**** off' date=' you ****ing ugly excuse for a Moderator!"[/quote'']So do you get both
I, for one, find your posts highly inflammatory and radically unsuitable for innocent eyes. I particularly mark the way your fist around the throat of those-who-would-preach makes their voice go all high and squeaky. You are a rebel and the staff has been warned to be alert to your wicked ways.Regretably not. Nobody seems to accuse me of anything... I can't really be this nice, can I?
No, but you get 2 points for the funny.Do you get a "Hazardous Materials Violation" for making a caustic remark?
We are pleased. You may rise.I am dreadfully sorry, Mr Phi for All, Sir. I meant no disrespect and I promise to be a good boy in future. Please forgive me!0 -
Ooh, let's go with this theory. I think (flexibly) it makes the most sense. Way to go!I see it as a test of how flexible of a thinker you are. Flexible thinking is a valuable asset to have in today's world so it would seem that it would be a legitimate component of intelligence. Flexible thinking can be construed as creativity, which many psychologists considered an important part of intelligence.aswokei -- 1, Hyebeh -- 0.
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I thought no one would pick up on that. Sayonara was filmed the year I was born.Yep. I believe Marlon Brando and Red Buttons were in the movie.Coral, I'll bet you rock at Trivial Pursuit.
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I also think the Europeans are not blind to this' date=' and will develop counter
measures. The Chinese will either develop it, buy it, or steal it, and they'll
sell to everyone else.[/quote']Indeed, and I'll bet this is mostly because of the threat of China overtaking our position in the world economy in the next decade or two.
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Oh, good. Be sure to include some bits from the novel and the musical.
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He's fleeing military persecution, after all. Do you think he would give his real age here?Yeah, that's why he is 20+ only?
I said it was the end of WWII. MacArthur was SCAP and had lots of British officers working with him to rebuild Japan. There's even a funny story about Sayo putting soap bubbles in Mac's pipe one time.Plus, the British and the Japanese were enimies. Japanese was part of the Axis.But he should really tell it.
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Legend has it that Sayo was a major in the RAF at the end of WWII, reassigned to a Japanese air base. A number of his fellow soldiers became romantically involved with Japanese women, in defiance of military policy. Ordinarily an officer who was by-the-book, Sayo sided with a buddy of his who fell in love with a Japanese woman and married her. Sayo risked his position by serving as best man at the wedding ceremony.What does Sayanora cubed equal?Major Sayo also fell in love, with a beautiful Matsubayashi dancer. He was asked by a reporter to comment on his proposed marriage to the Japanese woman, a move that was sure to get him kicked out of the RAF. Sayo told the reporter, "Tell 'em we said, 'Sayonara, sayonara, sayonara.'"
Sayonara³. At least, that's the story I remember hearing. Somewhere.
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SFN Flash Movie: Stage 1; Choosing our story
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We're still looking for a t-shirt that's tight, clingy and has room for your name while still having a neckline that plunges to your navel. Also no sleeves so you can swing a lightsaber.
It would be easier if you would agree to just wearing two small buttons, one says "Azure", the other says, "Phoenix".