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Slavery was wrong, especially the particularly cruel type which pervaded Americas especially in the Caribbean. It made slavery in the Anciant world (Rome, for example) look gentile.

Still, when one talks of the greatest modern military minds/strategists in history, countries like Germany, France, America, England come up at the top, and you cant earn that place without including the feats of the great Confederate Generals. Likewise, Italy, for example. comes at the bottom, not considering Ancient Rome.

The only reason the north won was they had more industry, people (especially waves of irish immigrants , starving to do anything to eat, including enlisting), and money. The South beat the north strategically by a mile given the limited resources they had to work with.

Not siding for the old south, hehe, just giving credit where it belongs, IMO. Im glad they lost, like Nazi Germany.

I make PO4 buffer among hundreds of other reagents for a living. Although I cant address your question from that tech point of view (pKa's etc), If you wish simply to make your own, all you need to concern yourself with is the final pH. Check it on a calibrated meter, of course, and adjust with phos acid or NaOH 1N or whatever....it doesnt metter.

Of course, it has to be filtered through 0.2u filter.......

It's an oversimplification, but yes. On the whole, if something is bad for bacterial cells, it's bad for human cells too. A few exceptions like penicillin are used as antibiotics.

Thanks, John.

OK, this could get a little complex...its been 30 years since biochem class for me. Isnt it safe to assume since peroxide is toxic to bacteria/molds/(viruses?), that is likewise, logically is also toxic to our "good" tissues?

I know this is a simplistic generalization.

While the Q is addressed to skeptic I will provide some quick answers.

1) No benefit is gained, the disproportionation is a defensive mechanism. Under normal conditions H2O2 is accidentally formed during respiration. Mostly due to leaking of electrons out of the ubiquinon pool.

 

2) H2O2 belong to the family of reactive oxygen species. It is especially involved in the Fenton reaction which generate extremely harmful hydroxyl radicals that readily react with about anything. This leads to DNA and protein damage, among others and harm the cell about anywhere it encounters it.

 

To make it short, your body makes a good effort to prevent you from creating these nasty buggers. It is a bad idea to intentionally flood it with it.

 

I recommend reading up on oxidative stress, ROS and Fenton reaction for this topic.

Thanks, Y! Let me check this out as you suggested. meanwhile, I think I have enough to hit my buddy with. Its time he wakes up to reality.

One really nice side effect of this scam is that you can buy highly pure 35% H2O2 at "health food" stores. It's costy though.

right, uc. But thats what puzzles me, at least, as far as their motive for diseminating misinformation/bunk. H2O2 35% is expensive, but those guys that sell it dont make such a high margin on it. I know cuz I am in the lab reagents business, and am somewhat privy to some info. here, health food stores sell it at about 40$ per gallon. Thats not really big bucks.

Its not like the 90's scam on the colloidial elements/metals in a quart. That stuff went for about $20/qt, and THAT , I can tell you, is almost pure profit, AND its a non hazardous product, which can ship UPS way cheaper.

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We have an enzyme, peroxidase catalase, to break down H2O2 into H2O and O2 (seeing as the H2O2 is highly toxic).

Thanks Mr Skeptic. So, since you have me interested,

1) even though after enzymatic activity on peroxides O2 is released, it is NOT a benefit to the body, despite the energy it took the body to make it available?

2) what , biochemically does peroxide do to the body/tissues/metabolism? Screw up the Krebs cycle? ATP? Intercellular functions?

You see, I got to get back to this guy, my friend, with as most concrete logic why this idea he is enamoured with is trash.

Thanks!

Thanks, people. I had a hunch.

Now, on the tech point of the H2O2 being drunk, what, chemically, happens to the peroxide? Does it become (with the heat of your innards being about 98.6 F) H2O + O-? Or does it stay as H2O2?

Thanks again!

Hi, people.

Wondering if the highly touted "drinking hydrogen peroxide" actually adds any usable oxygen for our body tissues. A friend of mine loaned me the book:

hydrogen peroxide scam

I started reading and while it has some interesting reading, it is touting this peroxide drink as a cure all, and reeks of theytypical scam publication, with no footnotes, no credentials of the author, no nothing science publications usually have. I started thinking, hmmmm, they say to add 3 drops of 35% H2O2 in a glass of H2O. Man, that cant amount to a whole lot of O2 even if it was O2 and not just atomic oxygen, which, I believe, is NOT usable in our tissues. Even if you drank some oxygen, I think like any gas, you would quickly burp it up like when drinking soda/beer, and you have to belch up the CO2 gas . Right?

he says that our body does not get enough oxygen, and that our lungs only extract 15% of the oxygen we breath. Sounds like evolution has screwed up and its a good thing this book was written.....lol

Thanks!