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  1. i've read now many times about a specific filter between thalamus and cerebrum that prevents the brain of too much incoming signals. this shall include signals that are not necessarry for humans to survice and reproduce. the more incoming impulses the more it is filtered because everything incoming flows from the cerebrum back to thalamus preventing more to enter.. sort of :)

     

    Transfer of information to the cortex is certainly not just a feed-forward process, it does indeed dependant on modulation by information flowing back from the cortex to the thalamus. However, the idea that it acts as a filter in the way you describe is too simplistic to be meaningful.

     

    If anything, hallucinogens must relax the rules by which we interpret new input. We reduce the importance we place on sensory evidence for determining the state of our world.

  2. I've also heard of people neglecting certain sides of the world, like one case in which the person would not eat the left half of his plate, wouldn't colm the left half of his hair, wouldn't fully put on his shirt on the left side, etc.

     

    Neglecting half of your visual field is called hemispatial neglect. The individual often only has partial access to information from one side - they are not conscious of this area of space existing (but don't notice that it is missing) but in certain circumstances can use information that comes from the neglected area. It is most commonly caused by damage to the thalamus.

     

    Interestingly the neglect can have different frames of reference, so for example if you have three pictures arranged horizontally in a line, then only one half of each would be percieved. So , for example :

     

    -**- -**- -**-

     

    may be percieved as

     

    -* -* -*

     

    which, is pretty wierd.

  3. Logically it never can be. If eating the apple is wrong, then a being who never does anything wrong (because they cannot choose to do so) can never eat the apple.

     

    Was adam unable to do wrong? I wasn't aware of that. I assumed that he had free will and always chose to do good but my knowledge of the bible is pretty poor. Could we not say that the devil provided him with the opportunity to make a free choice by tempting him?

     

    If it is how you say, then this whole 'fallen in to sin' thing is even more ludacris than I had previously been led to believe.

  4. My personal view is that it is all tied in with sentience. We don't regard animals as sentient because they don't (we presume) have a well developed sense of self. Part of that sense of self is our morality - having an opinion about whether we (or more correctly our actions) are right or wrong.

     

    So I would say that the coming of sin to the world was really us gaining our self awareness. By eating the apple of the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil' we learn right from wrong and so when we do wrong we sin - we go against God (which is our definition of good).

     

    Now clearly if we are sentient (with morality) and animals are not' date=' then there had to be a point in evolution where man became sentient. It is our self awareness which made Adam hide his nakedness. It is our self awareness which allows us to distinguish right from wrong and indeed which makes our actions right or wrong.

     

    We even have this distinction in our vocabulary. Someone who is immoral is a bad person, but someone who is amoral is less than human.[/quote']

     

    I think this is quite a nice way to try and combine these two things. I'm not a Christian at all but I think it's quite a clever idea anyhow. The only problem I can see is that the 'falling into sin', in this sense, would not actually be a conscious decision.

  5. While im on this thread, I want to apoplogise to Matt for the comment I made earlier. It was very rude of me. I was just having one of those days where everything seemed to annoy me.

     

    Now that the fender thing has 'clicked' it is pretty obvious from the first post. I had never come across the 'ender' terminology and more importantly wouldnt of thought that grouping numbers by their final digit was significant or even useful. Perhaps this is why I couldnt get it initially.

  6. The proof (bearing in mind im not a mathematician at all) is something like:

     

    Any factors ending in 9, times 2, is a factor ending in 8, e.g. 19*2=38.

    2 and 5 are both factors of 10 (and any number ending in 0).

     

    So any number with 9 and 0 as fenders, denoted a and b, can be rexpressed as a*2*(b/2)

  7. is there any numbers with ONLY 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 9 as fenders??? plz reply

     

    No, because as part of Q2 we need to show that any number that has 0,9 as fenders will also ahve four more. I one which is 8. So any number with 0 an 9 as fender must have 8 and hence the combination you require is impossible.

     

    Edit : sorry this is wrong, I will leave it here anyway.

     

    Edit : no it is correct after all. I need more coffee ....

  8. From a scientific point of view, one can say that some biological structures are so complex, that they cannot be the result of an evolutionary process. This is a scientific hypothesis (onset to a theory), which in principle can be tested (and with that can be supported, or falsified, but never proven).

     

    This seems akward to me. The hypothesis presented seems to be that evolution could be wrong if we found evidence that didnt agree with the theory. Is that a hypoethesis in it's own right or just part and parcel of what a theory is in general? Any theory could be shown to be incomplete given new evidence.

     

    However, is would be a mistake to imply that in disproving one theory you somehow have evidence to support another 'specific' one (I realise that woelen doesn't specifically go this far). If we find a new example of irreducible complexity, which somehow resists attempts to explain it, given evolutionary theory - why would this alone support any one other theory?

  9. Fair point mate.

     

    Althought, I think the fenders you got are the right ones. i.e.

     

    1,2,5,8,9,0

     

    ...it took me a while to work that out. It isnt too hard to show that there are always these fenders. I'm not doing this problem sheet thing so I shouldnt provide answers.

  10. Yeah' date=' the answer to question 2 is 190- its factors are 1, 2, 5, 38, 19, 10

    Fenders- 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 0[/quote']

     

    Don't you need to show that all numbers with these fenders will have four more? Instead of just an example?

  11. People who recently went blind don't see black either, and they have[/i'] learned a nero response to black.

     

    Some people who are blind still see patterns of colours in the visual field. Not caused by external stimuli but from nerual activity. So it is obviously not as clear cut as what you are suggesting.

     

    What do you you mean by 'learned a neuro response to black?'

  12. What you have to remember is that most neurons in the early visual cortex respond most vigourously to specific changes in intensity; lines, edges, corners and other features. So a matt black object in the visual field wouldnt produce much activity because a lack of contrast. But the same could be said for a solid green object or blue object. What neurons respond to are changes across their receptive fields.

     

    The short answer is that , if you are in a pitch black room then there is not a population of neurons coding 'this is black.' I expect that this is the situation in which there would be least activity in the visual cortex. Most black objects do reflect some light, highlights, etc that provide texture information or contours.

     

    People who are blind from birth do not see black, as has been pointed out, but this is not because their black coding neurons dont work. These people have not had the experience to learn an internal representation of visual space. Therefore they don't really have a 'canvas' to paint black. If you have had enough visual experience to develop your internal model of the visual world then you do need a way of representing no input.

  13. Colour is coded through 2 opponency channels - red-green and yellow-blue. Often, descriptions of the visual system include a third channel coding black-white information. But this channel is not really the same as colour information because black and white are not coded in opponency to each other. i.e., we can perceive intermediates (greys) between black and white. I doubt if the colour sensitive 'blob' regions of the cortex code this black/white distinction.

     

    It's late , I will try and give a clearer explanation when im not half asleep.

  14. Matt is very helpful when you give him more than 23 minutes to reply. He has every right to watch the Simpsons/eat his dinner/talk to his friends or family/help the students that he gets paid to teach rather than sit in front of a computer awnsering your post.

     

     

    He did reply to my initial question:

     

    Exactly what was described in the first post in this thread.

     

    Basically telling me to read something I'd already read and that dosn't actually contain a definition.

  15. Ok, so I worked it out. The last digit of the factor of a number is a fender for that number. Now the questions make sense.

     

    Obviously 'maths expert' dosn't imply 'helpful maths expert.'

  16. The first post, which I have read, gives an example of factor enders not a definition. Perhaps it is possible to determine the definition of a factor ender from this example but I have tried to work it out and can't. If fact it seems to imply that fenders are two differnt things , i.e :

    The fenders (factor enders) of 156 are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9

     

    and

     

    156 is a 7-fender (that is, it has seven fenders) {1},{2, 12, 52},{3,13},{4},{6, 26, 156},{78},{39}

     

    So can someone please just give me a simple definition?

  17. I've just tried searching for 'factor enders' and fenders on google and all I can find is this pages and some unrelated stuff. I know factors and prime factors but what are fenders?

  18. I think he means that they will cancel eachother out elimating the paradoxical element to your example. I have always thought of time as an illusion, a measurement of change fabricated by human minds. Progression, decay, time, its all made of two things: Change and perception. Time changes with different perceptions. That includes the cryogenically freezing yourself thus 'traveling forward in time', when in reality, we do such each second. Are we not traveling forward in time everyday? In a sense, I suppose a form of forward time travel is possible. Although I cannot see how we could ever be able to travel in the past: for it does not exist.

     

    Indeed, I agree completely. I think the point I was trying to make with my example was that paradoxes resulting from the existance of time travel are not just limited to rare cases where you kill your gran or something else equally specific, the idea is fundamentally parodoxical (if that makes sense). I get the impression that a lot of people believe time travel, into the past, is possible as long as you are really really careful. Which is the version of time travel often found in the movies.

  19. If all the particles that make up a time traveler can be decribed as a wave function' date=' this wave function can be made to interfere either destructivly or constructivly (or even the entire universe). If this wave function could be made to interfere with its self (going back in time), then the paradox would cause the wave function to interfere destructivly, stoping the timetravel. If ther is no paradox then this owuld be constructive interfereance and time travel might be able to occure (that is depending on other factors, like a working time machine, etc).

     

    This allows backwards in time travel, but only if it does not cause a paradox.[/quote']

     

    Im not sure I understand what you are saying really so I'm not sure if I believe it either. How does this relate to my example paradox for instance? Where effect comes before cause. What do you mean by 'interfere with itself going back in time' ?

  20. Yer, I understand that we are always travelling through time (or with time.) When people get the idea of jumping from one point in time to another then this is a bit different. Travelling forward 'quickly' could be achieved by cryogenic freezing. You would experience no passage of time and then you are 1000 years in the future. It's still science fiction but it's nearly possible and the closest we'll get to stepping out of time, in my opinion.

     

    As for travelling backwards, I agree with Dak. as information is lost with time (entropy increases) the is no way we could recreate the past by inference from the present. this requires that we assume that there is a copy of each point of the universe in storage somewhere. That the state of the universe at each time point is preserved. I don't know of any evidence that would suggest this is the case.

     

    While trying to think about time travel I came up with this little paradox that is making my brain hurt. Its basically the same as all other time paradoxes but nice and simple.

     

    You are sat in the lab having just powered up the first time machine ever built. There are two small portals, one where things go in and one where things come out, sat next to each other on the bench. All it does it send stuff back in time 3 seconds. The first object you try is a ball bearing. SO what happens? You see the ball bearing come out of the time machine 3 seconds before you put it in? What if you decide not to put it in after that? You obviously can't put the ball bearing in before one has came out or the machine doesnt work. What if you put the one that came out back in again? It seems that once something comes out of the 'out' portal you have to put that object in the 'in' portal 3 seconds later to prevent a paradox. Surely this kind of stuff just aint possible.

  21. Evolution is subjective.

    You could argue that evolution is just imperfect replication.

     

    You have no choice but to arbitrarily discriminate between biological life' date=' and life in general. So your real question, perhaps, is what is biology? Does it extend to life other than hydrocarbon based life forms. Can it include silicon based life forms. What about information based life forms. How is life confined to a comuter network different than life confined to a petre dish?

     

    Unless you include all of creation in your definition of life, you are being arbitrary, not that there is anything wrong with that as long as nobody get's hurt. But you are, after all, not just a monkey's uncle. You are also a rock's uncle.[/quote']

     

    Evolution is not just imperfect replication. It requires some form of selective pressure on the population of replicators.

     

    I agree that restricting the definition of life to only include hydrocarbon based lifeforms is arbitrary. However, there is no reason to therefore jump to the conclusion that everything is living.

     

    I seems like the definition of life will end up being equivalent to 'an example of evolution in practise.'

  22. Life on Earth has three qualities that can be incorporated into a definition.

     

    1. Replication or reproduction.

    2. Ability to evolve.

    3. Based on a complex system of organic chemicals.

     

    Number 3 is needed to exclude certain computer programs.

     

    number 2 would seem to imply number 1 which would make it redundant.

     

    if number three is included to rule out computer programs then I assume it is not actually included to define life. It seems like you start with the assuption that computer programs are not alive (im not saying this is wrong) and then add a term to rule them out. surely we should start with a definition and then decide what examples fit.

     

    It is interesting that many of the definitions include evolution. Doesn't evolution require a population to work on?

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