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The bacteria that live inside the host is its microbial biota - correct? Are they still prokaryotes?

Okay Isn't coincidence just a word used for something that happens repeatedly in people's lives that have no scientific explanation for it?

Further research reveals that Mitochondria and Chloroplasts are referred to as organelles. These organelles reproduce like bacteria, replicate their own DNA and direct their own division.

I read that there were a number of people that dreamt of it and it effected them so much that they tried to get their message conveyed to our government. Of course, this would have to take a great deal of courage since ridicule is evidently going to result from it for those people that were driven to share their dream. I am not going to participate in a debate over my comment, I experienced what I said as well as many people have too that I have talked to on the subject. It was just something I wanted to share on this forum.

I have talked to a therapist about these episodes and I have during my younger years been in counseling for various issues so much so that when I go to them, I know as much as they do in functioning thinking and they end up asking me, "How can they help me?" I have also studied as much as is available on the internet but I am still waiting for them to discover how to measure chemical imbalances in the brain. I have learned to separate the "me" thinking from the disease "me" of thinking that is necessary to feed the adrenaline pump to remain open continuously during these episodes. I can describe it as perhaps a metal toxicity that starts in the stomach - where is adrenaline dispensed from? - this pump feels like it is jammed or something like that- I don't know. I am hesitant on taking drugs since I am sensitive in that it may cause other reactions. I am not stressed prior to these events that I am aware of so counseling is not going to be effective in this situation.

Maybe if people actually walk their belief instead of talking about it and believing that they are sinful beings that can't help the way they behave because their God will forgive them then maybe this world would be a better place to live in. Religion is a failure since its purpose results in failure for those actually trying to achieve it but can't in a society that doesn't embrace its concept in behavior.

I am reminded of this when a person I have not talked to in a long time pops into my mind for no reason at all prior to getting an actual phone call from that person. I will remark to that person that I was just thinking of you the other day and they will respond that they were too and that is why they called. This scenario has happened to me repeatedly in the past and it has also been experienced by many people I talk to about it. I am curious to find out what is behind this that makes this an experience shared by many people. The 9/11 terroist attack, I had a dream two weeks prior of an invasion from another country though it was not a dream of the details outlining what actually took place in reality, it still was a strange dream since I never had a dream like that before in my life that I can recall. I found from searching on the internet that there were many individuals that were having dreams of terroist attacking our country too prior to the event. Is this a coincidence of randomness or is there something to it that explains it?

I agree with you but the problem with voting these individuals in Congress is that there is no accountability for what they say and what they will actually do once they are elected. It appears they are masters at deception and brainwashing the masses to believe what they want them to believe is the truth. Integrity is not an admired trait anymore, it is the complete opposite of its meaning that supports this popular saying, "Presentation is preferred over content" which describes our political candidates. What I am trying to convey here is voting no longer works anymore with the criteria it takes for any individual to run as a candidate. I really do not need to explain to you what kind of person that must compete with lesser or equal evils in their lifetime to get to the point of being a candidate, I am sure you know what I am talking about here. They are all of the same mentality that crave power and prestige but get corrupted along the way in order to achieve it. For voting to be effective, integrity and accountability for what they stand for, promise, and most importantly prove this in their actions should be required of all elected candidates. Otherwise, why have a voting system that is completely ineffective for the reason why it was created in the first place? Our educational system is negligent in providing the educational standards compared to other countries and people should be asking why this was not corrected at the same time as the Free Trades Agreement and GATT was signed since there is no way our existing educational system could complete in a global economy market. When I brought up the subject to friends of my concern for the jobs leaving the country, some commented that our leadsers envisioned the U.S. as being the educational hub for the world with us leading all new technology in the future. They ignored one important criteria for this vision in that no one addressed the problems in our educational system and this is unacceptable to me and it should be of primary concern to the public. The tax payors do fund alot of money that is suppose to go to science so if science is not getting it, there is a another big problem that should be addressed as well.

When you put it that way, my response cannot be commented on by science minded individuals since its not something that can be studied in the first place.

I do not have to calculate anything, I base this on personal experience and by asking other people if this has happened to them and the answer is always "yes!"

I agree with your post but one question: To toughen the regulations, how and who is actually in charge of making this a reality into law? Your comment that science needs to be funded by the public is being funded by the public in our taxes paid to the Depts of Government that delegate funding to science. I thought we already funded public education too and by increasing it we must also address the quality of education first.

Nope.

Years ago when corporations started moving their manufacturing to other countries for cheaper labor, I felt immediate concern for the future of Americans who eventually would be forced out of their job and I wondered why we were not taking steps then to prevent our current economic crisis. The reality is those corporations are not coming back here and if people do not create a brand new market of ideas that will work in a large population and at the same time improve the conditions of our environment that supports us, we are doomed. It is time for science to put all of their years of research and what they have accomplished to the test since they are the experts on our resources and know what the limits of our global environment can support. Since a good portion of our taxes funds scientific research, they can certainly assign a group of scientists that can come up with ideas to put the population back to work that benefits the environment and can improve our food supply demands. The fact is our government knew the consequences of what NAFTA and GATT would create for the U.S. economy. The housing bubble was no accident and it would have never happened with the strict requirements of obtaining a loan for a mortgage prior to 1994. It was government amendments that were signed to lower the requirement for people to get a home with the promise of a bailout that would be paid by the tax payors. Why would our government deliberately set us up for failure on so many contributing factors that they were ultimately behind orchestrating behind our backs?

I don't like caffeine.

Thank you Baby Astronaut for your kind words. I liked your definition and the only word I question is how do you define "beings" in your post? Exactly how are these links suppose to be "meaningful" to the conversation?

Nice post

This certainly suggests that we should take another approach in how we traditionally have viewed how life actually evolves.

Has science made any progress in understanding severe anxiety disorders as to what exactly is going on in the mind and body of those who have periodic episodes of anxiety issues? I have had anxiety issues since I was little which I self medicated by consuming chocolate or alot of sugar. I didn 't understand at that time what was wrong with me or if what I was feeling was out of the norm compared to everybody else. Later in my 30's I experienced the worst anxiety attacks which occurred about twice a year. These attacks can last up to a week and my symptoms begin with: 1. Starts in my stomach feeling anxious 2. I get a metal taste in my mouth 3. Tingling sensations down both my arms 4. Flight or fight -adrenaline pump feels like it is stuck in the "on" position and can't close. 5. Thought processes are being controlled by thinking of imaginary catastrophic events that, I think, to keep the adrenaline pumping constantly 6. Muscles by this time are tight and my body feels like it is being pushed to the limit. 7. My speech is effected because my thoughts are on fast tract 8. Feels like I could easily die from a heart attack 9. Cannot be in a car or be exposed to any sudden stimuli since my fight or flee is already on full blast. 10. Cannot sleep at all the entire time which can last up to a week I isolate during these attacks since I am afraid I would be locked up in an insane ward since my speech can't keep up with my racing thoughts. The part of conscious that identifies "me" feels likes it is being held as a prisoner while this disorder takes over my mind by torturing it with scary thoughts to feed its adrenaline rush. People that have been with me during these episodes, I want to say, I know I am acting strange but inside my mind I am okay, its just that I cannot communicate to you properly at the moment. What is interesting to me is that during one of these episodes I started tapping on my leg which in a weird way comforted my nervous system. I thought of an autism person and perhaps this was very similar to what I was feeling during this attack. During these attacks I have to separate "me" from the mind altering illness where I literally have to fight for control back of my thoughts by thinking some thing pleasant and when I find myself slipping back into thinking catastrophic thoughts, I have to again gain control of my thoughts by concentrating on thinking of something that is soothing and calm. It is no doubt a war going on in my mind and body and by the end of it, I feel that my body has gone through a train wreak and sleep is welcomed with relief. I have never taken medication for this since a physician had diagnosed me with having Depression and put me on meds that I didn't like plus I felt that was never my problem. I lost faith in the medical community and I been waiting for new advances in learning about chemical imbalances so more appropriate solutions would arrive before I am dead. Does anyone have any new information of this disorder?

Now that is an entertaining thought! Can you name one that is not terrible?

DrRocket had it right when he said, "those that ridicule are likely ignorant therefore unworthy of consideration" is what I was trying to say in an earlier post only he said it better. KItkat is not a "he" I am a "she" not that this should make any difference to the discussion. Even though I did not choose my words correctly, I was totally sincere in what I meant. The childish response I recieved only reinforced my beliefs. I am not an English Major so I do not possess the intellectual dialogue that seems to a requirement on science forums. I am a individual that has a general interest in science, especially the history of evolution and microbiology. It is difficult sometimes to come here and be treated with any respect and it is not taken in consideration that most people that are not scientists are getting their information off the internet. Perhaps instead of stating we don't have a clue of what we are talking about and we need to provide proof what we are saying with web links, a more effective approach would be to direct us to the correct website that provides honest information on the subject in question. Afterall, you are the experts on the subject matter and you would know where to direct us to the correct source. This would eliminate the need to "ridicule" and you have provided the path for obtaining factual information. I tend to try to see both sides of the argument even when I am personally involved in it. I Nows reasoning for ridicule was to piss them off so they would react by doing more research. This is effective on a few occasions when he makes a statement on the subject that I did not take into consideration and it created further research. In this instance, I ignored the ridicule remark. In this thread, I got the impression that he loved to put people down and he was not here to respond to people as a genuine person that loves to be a educator of knowledge. I am looking for serious minded people that hopefully considered themselves as a credible source for information. If I wanted to listen to snide remarks and told how stupid I am, then I would have gotten some counseling since this is viewed as participation in unhealthy behavior that reinforces a negative opinion of oneself. Thinking that you are smarter then the masses is really a lonely position to take and it is not beneficial to the person who is ego based that believes that nor to the many people that feel threatened by it. It is your experience in a particular field that makes you a reliable source to obtain information, intelligence is irrelevant.

And I love that statement!

Mooeypoo, I definitely prefer your approach in responding to people's questions and ideas in this forum. I agree that ridicule from scientists doesn't create an environment where ideas can be freely expressed. The attitude of some members here who actually believe that ridiculing people gives the impression that they are smart when it is the complete opposite of how people actuallly think of them is not based on reality. I wish there were more people that think like you do, mooeypoo, the number of people that have an interest in science would increase for this forum and it would make it a successful website.

This is so true! Again, good post! I am sorry and you are right it was a personal attack due to your previous comment that you feel you have a right to ridicule people who happen to think outside of the box.

You are the wrong person to have or be any kind of authoritive figure on this forum. A closed mind mentality that remembers everything that he or she has learned by memorization or regurgitating the same opinions that describe life's processes by scientists who believed it many years ago but refuse to allow themselves to take another look at all of the current evidence and form their own opinion of it, is not a helpful individual on these forums.

These are great quotes!