FullMoon

42 minutes ago, Genady said:

Examples of what?

examples that there are stimuli beyond our senses.

9 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

We've created a LOT of tools since we created the first ones. Nothing supernatural about any of them.

correct, creation of tools is not supernatural from this vantage point that we have come at. AI is a culmination of the knowledge acquired by humans to be able to device another "intelligence" which basically is a well written program.

Hi

7 minutes ago, Genady said:

No, it does not.

I assumed (from google) that creationism denies evolution

On 7/10/2022 at 2:53 PM, Overkommer said:

Let`s say your`re a very sensitive person that picks up everything in your enviroment, but you never sensed that anything was made from him, or that you can sense him also, an higher being, I know a god can in theory, do anything he wants, even hide himself, I guess, but how is it really possible to hide himself that well and when you look at a rock, for example, it doesn`t look like it`s made by someone? How can someone make something and hide himself 100 %, there`s always a signature of you if you make something? I`m a nature-person myself and very sensitive, and I tried to look at rocks, for example, and see if it`s really is made by someone, but, I wouldn`t say things in nature looks dead exactly, but not like it`s made of someone ether..

Hi, @

IMHO

the assumption that "one can pick up everything in the environment" needs to be debated here.

We know there are 5 senses. but these senses cannot cross sense. meaning, the tongue cannot hear, the eyes cannot taste and so on.

like wise, the Creator, bestows upon His creatures (those who genuinely strive to look for Him) senses that make them aware of Him. thanks to current technology, Examples of those abound around us. 

A cellphone from late 1990s might still work but will not be capable of streaming youtube or netflix. Even though it lays immersed and bathed in the waves carrying that information. The waves and wavelengths that we have no way of sensing. 

We as humans, have created cities, gardens, monuments, so on. (Almost) Always with the object of geometric regularity (straight lines, definite shapes). You step out in "nature" and you don't see any of that, in the visible world at least.

No two leaves are alike, no two trees, the rocks and mountains-irregular shapes, animals, etc 

can the feeling of standing at the beach watching and hearing those ocean waves be compared to looking at the New York skyline?

can gazing at the stars endless and countless from your patio on a breezy night be compared to say, looking outside of an airport lobby?

can looking at the grand canyon be compared to the burj khalifa?

the signatures are there. 

BUT...deep down when you move into the Molecular subatomic level...you start seeing definite shapes....may be not...but thats another discussion

OR ... go into mega macroscopic celestial level and you see the giant planets and stars

Hi!

imho

the fact that humans, after millions of years of evolution, have been capable of "creating" an Artificial Intelligence, in itself is an evidence of everything having a Creator.

Too bad google defines as follows:

""cre·a·tion·ism

they are 2 different individuals, separated by nearly 500 years.