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  1. On 3/7/2023 at 11:57 PM, Boltzmannbrain said:

    Fortunately I attended a good university.  He got his PhD from Princeton.  It was the advanced calculus course.

     

    I thought r was suppose to mean a real number.  In any case, my point was to bring up an example to remind us of part of the scope of set theory.

     

    Ok, but where did I say that we didn't need cartesian coordinates?

    That makes sense.

    Interesting!

    Sure that sounds useful and interesting.

    I do not understand how it is logical to have no next number on a line segment in a real space.  I am hoping to explore the implications of removing a number at the end of the line segment.  Why does the end of the line segment no longer have an end number?  The geometrical result seems illogical to me.

    A real number line is a continuous line that extends infinitely in both directions. Each point on the line represents a real number. The real numbers on the line are arranged in sequential order. Any two real numbers on the line can be compared, and we can determine which number is greater or smaller than the other. The line can be divided into segments.

    Suppose we take a segment on the real number line, let us say between two integers, 1 and 2. The segment is finite but infinite in the number of real numbers it contains. There are countless real numbers between 1 and 2. However, there is no next number on this segment. By this, we mean that if you pick any number between 1 and 2, you can always find another number between them. There is no limit or endpoint to the number of real numbers between the two integers. Thus, there can never be a next number in this segment.

    The concept of the next number is not applicable to the real number line. The set of real numbers is complete, meaning that there is no need for any new number to fill in any gaps or provide solutions to any problems. Any two real numbers on the line are separated by an infinite number of other real numbers. This implies that there exists no next number or any number missing from the real number line. Each number on the line is unique and independent.

    Furthermore, the real number line is dense, which means that every point on the line can be approached arbitrarily close by a sequence of real numbers. This property further emphasizes that there is no next number on the real number line. For any point on the line, we can approach it arbitrarily close by finding real numbers that are infinitely close to the point. Since there exists no smallest positive number on the real number line, there is no next number.

    there is an end to the real number line segment or not?

    At first glance, it may seem that the real number line goes on forever without any end. This idea aligns with the concept of infinity, which is an unbounded quantity or magnitude that extends indefinitely without a limit or boundary. Mathematically, we can represent infinity by the symbol ∞, which denotes an infinitely large or small value that cannot be expressed or reached in the usual sense. In this sense, the real number line appears to be infinite both to the left and right of zero, with no end in sight.

    However, upon further analysis, we realize that there are limits to the real number line, albeit they may not be intuitive or straightforward. For instance, we can define bounds or intervals on the real number line that contain only a finite or countable number of real numbers. For example, we can define the interval [0,1], which contains all real numbers between zero and one, including both endpoints. In this case, the interval [0,1] is bounded, meaning it has an upper and lower limit, which are 1 and 0, respectively.

    Furthermore, there are situations where the real number line is incomplete or non-existent in certain spots. For instance, we can consider the imaginary or complex number system, which extends the real number line by introducing the imaginary unit i, such that i^2=-1. The complex number system includes both real and imaginary numbers, and it can be represented as a two-dimensional plane with a horizontal axis for the real part and a vertical axis for the imaginary part. However, there are points on the complex plane where the real part is zero, and only the imaginary part exists. Such points are called purely imaginary or vertical lines and are not part of the real number line. Therefore, the real number line is incomplete or does not exist in such cases.

    Another situation where the real number line segment is incomplete is in the case of limits or approaches to infinity. For example, we can consider the function f(x)=1/x, which approaches zero as x approaches infinity. In this case, the real number line seems to have an end or limit at zero, but we can still consider values greater than zero by taking the limit as x approaches infinity, which yields a value of zero. Therefore, the real number line segment has a limit or end but extends infinitely beyond it.

  2. On 3/5/2023 at 7:26 PM, Boltzmannbrain said:

    Thanks but I do not understand what this has to do with me trying to find a next real number.  These are natural numbers.  Do the lines that connect these natural numbers exist as infinitely many points, or are they just there to show me what number comes next.  I am really confused.

    Is this an axiom of the reals or an implication from other axioms?

    The real numbers can have the" next " number?

    The answer to this question is a resounding no. Real numbers are already infinite, so it's impossible for them to have the "next" number - after all, they don't even know what that would be! It's like asking an endless ocean if it can contain one more drop of water; the answer will always be no!

    Intervals on the real number line are an important concept in math, but they don't have to be complicated!  For example, if we look at a number line from 0 to 10, then (2, 8) is an interval that includes all numbers between 2 and 8 (but not including either of those two numbers). Similarly, [5.5 , 9] is another interval that contains all real numbers starting from 5.5 up until 9 - simple as can be!

    Intervals on the real number line are like a date night for math -- nothing too serious or committed, just a pleasant distraction from the day-to-day of dealing with numbers that just won't behave.

    They divide up the real number line into manageable chunks so there's no more guessing whether you should be adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing.

    Plus it's got some pretty nifty consequences for graphing equations (no velocity limit here!).   any more questions?  :)

  3. On 2/28/2023 at 4:20 AM, Boltzmannbrain said:

    The real numbers cannot have a next number, but I don't understand how that can be logical.

    For example, consider the segment inclusively from 1 to 2, so there are the numbers 1 and 2 at each end of the segment.  We can take off a number like 1.3 or 2 from it.  If we take the number 2 away, we are left with something like the segment 1 to the limit 2 - 1/x as x goes to infinity (or whatever it is). 

    So my ultimate question is, why can we take off the end of the segment if it is something that we call 2, but we can't take off another number?  The segment only has real numbers; what makes 2 so special that it can end a segment and be removable?  

     

    Real numbers are the backbone of mathematics, and they always exist along the real number line. This line is made up of infinitely many segments that stretch from negative infinity to positive infinity.

    Each segment contains an infinite amount of numbers, making it impossible for us to ever run out! So no matter how much we explore math and its applications, real numbers will always be there waiting for us on the real number line.

    Taking the real numbers off the line doesn't mean they all disappear.  They're still right there on the line.  And the real numbers are, in actual fact, not the line. Yeah, they're all numbers, not geometric shape.   

    You can imagine yourself deleting any real number on the line( or deleting anything in the universe ).

    But...don't let imaginations play tricks on you!  No one in the universe can actually delete or remove any real number.  Real numbers always exist in the mathematical realm of nature!  

  4. On 1/10/2023 at 1:57 PM, Intoscience said:

    I was thinking the other day about QM, uncertainty principle, superposition the multiverse theory, destiny and so forth.

    I then started to consider what the philosophical implications of infinite multiverses may present. The main one I considered was what this means for a person regarding their "soul", their destiny and so forth...

    I started to imagine such a scenario where we have the idea of infinite parallel multiverses where every quantum change creates a new universe that branches off. This sounds so far out there but is considered by some physicist as a plausible idea that can be used to explain many phenomena.

    So in this scenario everything that could exist does exist and every scenario within the confines of the laws of nature that can happen does happen. This means that there potentially would be an infinite number of every possible person that could ever be and every possible scenario would exist. This then lend me to think about a person's sense of themselves; the choices they make, what they believe to be their destiny, all the good and all the bad experiences, the length of their lives... the list is endless.

    But in short if this was how the universe functioned then what we consider to be destiny, luck, chance... each are just a tiny perception within our own experiences of one big puzzle where non of those have any real meaning. Then this led me to consider our "souls" and god even though I'm not a particular believer in either and what it means to sense oneself if there are an infinite number of you in existence.

    This then made me consider the implications of how any of that would fit into the big picture,  the value of life both universally and individually and how value of any kind could have any real meaning in terms of this big picture. 

    I could go on... since my mind has been going over this the last few days. I just thought I'd share it with you folks, if anyone is interested.

    Thanks

         

    Parallel Multiverses = a theory, not reality 

    No proof yet.  No equations about that theory. :)

  5. On 12/10/2022 at 6:28 AM, Adhanom Andemicael said:

    Consciousness Always Exists

     

     


    Part I:


    Let us consider the following statements:

    A. No situation exists.
    B. Statement A is true.
    C. A situation exists in which statement B is true.
    D. A situation exists.(1)
    E. Consciousness exists.
    F. Statement A can never be true.


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    I claim that statement F is true.

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    Proof:

    If A is true, B is true. If B is true, C is true.(2) If C is true, D is true. If D is true, A is false. Therefore, if A is true, A is false! (Contradiction!)

    Clearly, A can never be true.(3)

    Since A can never be true, it follows that F is true.

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    If A is never true, A is always false. A is never true. Therefore, A is always false.

    If A is always false, D is always true. A is always false. Therefore, D is always true.

    We conclude the following: A situation always exists.(4)


     

    Part II:

     

    Suppose a situation S persists for zero seconds. Then S exists for "no length of time."(5) If S exists for "no length of time," S never exists. Therefore, if S persists for zero seconds, S never exists.

    Suppose a situation exists. Then the situation must persist for a duration greater than zero seconds. If a situation persists for a duration greater than zero seconds, a phenomenon of temporal passage must occur.(6) If a phenomenon of temporal passage occurs, consciousness must exist.(7) Therefore, if a situation exists, consciousness must exist.

     

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    If statement D is true, E is true. D is true. Therefore, E is true.

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    If statement D is always true, E is always true. D is always true. Therefore, E is always true.(8)

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    We conclude the following: Consciousness always exists.(9)

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    Notes:

    1. The terms "situation," "scenario," and "state of affairs" are synonymous.
    2. Suppose statement B is true. Then a situation exists. (The situation that exists is that statement B is true.)
    3. It can never be the case that statement A is true.
    4. A situation must always exist. (It can never be the case that "no situation exists.")
    5. Zero seconds is "no length of time."
    6. The word "persist" implies a passage of time. (Persistence is a dynamic process.)
    7. The phenomenon of temporal passage (i.e., the phenomenon of time flow) is consciousness-dependent. (I discuss the relationship between time flow and consciousness in my paper "Temporal Passage.")
    8. If a situation exists, consciousness exists.
    9. Consciousness must always exist. (It can never be the case that "consciousness does not exist.")

     

     


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    Adhanom Andemicael
    andemicaela@yahoo.com

    If consciousness always exists, where is it while a patient is in coma?   The patient can't experience things around him or her.   He or she loses his or her consciousness.  Where does consciousness go?  Can you explain that? :)

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