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Hi all,
Why say that the following phrase is nonsense?
“The consistency of axioms cannot be proved within their own system.”
Because:
A system which has axioms for itself, in order for the system to call them axioms for itself, the system has to have a consistent behavior around those axioms and so when it behaves inconsistently with regard to those axioms, the inconsistency between those axioms and the system’s behavior the system can prove to itself.
If what is written above is false, then when a system behaves inconsistently with regard to some axioms it has for itself, that inconsistency it cannot prove to itself, and it keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to those axioms…but…
if the system keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to some axioms and cannot prove to itself that it does so with regard to those axioms, then it doesn’t seem to me it can consistently keep regarding them as axioms for the system, and then something else replaces them, and that something else is what the system calls axioms for itself.The way humans make sense of the world around them, is either one that is funny for them, or it is one that is not funny for them.
If the way humans make sense of the world around them is not funny for them…for a long time, those people don’t have a good time…for a long time, and they may forget that…
The way one makes sense of the world around one, is funny for one, or it wouldn’t be funny for one...Link to YouTube channel removed by moderator, per Rule 2.7check comments, you will find there, how this relates to you,just follow the money...-1 -
What money does
When one uses money to do something, the usage of money reduces the time and effort one has to spend to do this something, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When one uses money to do something, the usage of money doesn’t reduce the time and effort one has to spend to do this something, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when one uses money to do something, the usage of money doesn’t reduce the time and effort one has to spend to do something, it doesn’t seem to me one knows how to use money…does it seem to you…idiot?
(Store of value, medium of exchange, unit of account…tell that next time to your girl after you give her money and …
… the way you do it…happens to increase the time and effort she needs to spend to have fun…)
Who is good at making money
When one is good at making money, one is good at making money again and again, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When one is good at making money, one is not good at making money again and again, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when one is good at making money, one is not good at making money again and again, it doesn’t seem to me that the rest around one think one is good at making money…does it seem to you…idiot?
Who is an economist
When one is an economist, one knows what money does, and who is good at making it, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When one is an economist, one doesn’t know what money does, or doesn’t know who is good at making it, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when one is an economist, one doesn’t know what money does, or doesn’t know who is good at making it, it doesn’t seem to me that when the economy isn’t working we all don’t know why that is…does it seem to you…idiot?
When is the economy not working
When the economy isn’t working, among those who have money, apart from those good at making money, the rest of them are not good at making money, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When the economy isn’t working, among those who have money, apart from those good at making money, the rest of them are good at making money, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when the economy isn’t working, among those who have money, apart from those good at making money, the rest of them are good at making money, it doesn’t seem to me that those who don’t have money think that…does it seem to you…idiot?
When is common sense working
When common sense is working, few are offended, and most follow it, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When common sense is working, most are offended, or few follow it, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when common sense is working, most are offended, or few follow it, it doesn’t seem to me what most are together follow…does it seem to you…idiot?
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What money does
When one uses money to do something, the usage of money reduces the time and effort one has to spend to do this something, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When one uses money to do something, the usage of money doesn’t reduce the time and effort one has to spend to do this something, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when one uses money to do something, the usage of money doesn’t reduce the time and effort one has to spend to do something, it doesn’t seem to me one knows how to use money…does it seem to you…idiot?
Who is good at making money
When one is good at making money, one is good at making money again and again, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When one is good at making money, one is not good at making money again and again, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when one is good at making money, one is not good at making money again and again, it doesn’t seem to me that the rest around one think one is good at making money…does it seem to you…idiot?
Who is an economist
When one is an economist, one knows what money does, and who is good at making it, because if you REALLY think otherwise…
When one is an economist, one doesn’t know what money does, or doesn’t know who is good at making it, but if you think this is REALLY ok for you…
If in the end, when one is an economist, one doesn’t know what money does, or doesn’t know who is good at making it, it doesn’t seem to me that when the economy isn’t working we all don’t know why that is…does it seem to you…idiot?
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16 hours ago, studiot said:
Are you serious or is this just an attempt to stir the pot ?
Try googling accidental discoveries ie those with no prior theory
eg
https://interestingengineering.com/15-accidental-science-discoveries-that-changed-the-world
There are many many important examples where observation preceeded theory.
eg X rays, radio-activity, cosmic background, penicillin, .........
you are not making sense my friend, what is the argument that you are making?
Because if you observe something, and then you simply summarize your observations, if the summary you made is still complying to reality, it is a theory.
If that is not a theory to you, and you use a different meaning, when you read theory, theory means a summary of observation about reality...
any more arguments from you?
11 hours ago, exchemist said:...as opposed to an experiment conducted somewhere else?
Here, I've got an axiom for you, now: Brontosauruses are thin at one end, thicker in the middle and thin at the other end. Ha!
As opposed to an experiment conducted in your imagination, genius...
10 hours ago, swansont said:An axiom is not a system. Neither is tortured logic.
an axiom is not a system, fair enough, an argument from you is still not present here, sweetheart... try to make sense and if you do, don't worry you will be surprised how apologetic I will be to you if you make sense in the end.
So, how about you try to make some sense in what you write down, and not waste our time and effort here...
...even I want to see myself get proved wrong by one of you I am not doing this to pretend to strangers on the internet that I am smart, I don't exactly care if I am smart or not sweetheart
...the only thing I care about is what seems to be happening in reality, because it seems to me that something else than anything I imagine is happening in reality...however funny enough it also seems to me that the same thing is happening to the rest of you, and simply some of you have no idea about it.
And for the last ones, the one who don't know that reality is something else than anything you can imagine, and the thing that something they imagine is reality, here's a question to all of you?
you think you are funny? Because reality is something else than anything you can imagine, and therefore reality seems funnier than all of you, doesn't it?
11 hours ago, studiot said:Don't think this guy is a kiddie.
Someone with that handle has been to many debating, christian and maths sites over at least the past year and a half peddling the same stuff.
here is a comment forma member on a maths site
Excellent someone is looking around at least...any comments from you as well welcome...I am waiting for all of your comments.
hit me baby one more time
Is there anyone from you geniuses here worth my time?
Prove it to me geniuses...I am waiting...and don't waste our time and effort with sorry-ass excuses for arguments.
Read and think, I don't worry I will actually thank you if you prove me wrong.
All honest efforts are welcome, but don't waste my time with smartass answers...
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Argument
Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
1.There is a current theory, at any given time.
2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening appears from research as a proposed new theory.
3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has happened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
7. Something else happens...which was the case with some previous experiments...or else we wouldn't be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else...but up to now, this isn't the case, and the future still happens next, and not before next happens.
8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something...they make things that don't do something exactly...and they find that early at best, or late at worst...but the complete story they all know from the beginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me...as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.
And all the above in summary is
AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, something can happen as a result, or...something else can happen as a result.
This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say...logical.
Isn't it?
because for mathematicians...
1. “If a logical system is consistent, it cannot be complete”
2. “The consistency of axioms cannot be proven within their own system”
3. …and if you ask me reality for mathematicians, either is inconsistent, or incomplete…and the opposite they cannot prove to themselves within the system…before they lose their balance in reality…they have no idea…and let’s say ok with all of these but…
...didn't their mothers teach them anything in their lifes?
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