Conscious Energy

14 minutes ago, swansont said:

Can you hand me a volume of space?

No. But I can measure and observe any point of it. If space would not be a physical thing I would not be able to observe and measure it. 

Can you give me a photon? Does a photon still exist even you are not able to hand me one?

2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

But you are...

Am I needed to the route of the milky way to exist? I think it would be on the same path even there would be noone to observe it. 

No map is needed for a route to exist.

10 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Who's existence is required?

For instance, who drew the map? 

Noones. Routes in space and Space itself existing without anyones presence. The map is not needed for a route to exist. 

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

A map is a physical thing; a route planned, requires your existence.

 Why would anyones existence required for a route to exist?

58 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

A map is a physical thing; a route planned, requires your existence.

Space is a physical thing. 

Any route unplanned but existing does not require my existence.

Do you think the route of the milkyway is planned? Why would the route of our galaxy require anyones existence and planning?

Does the route of the milkyway still exist, even if there would be noone to observer that?

44 minutes ago, swansont said:

But these are not physical things unto themselves. 

Why the volume of space (which has a geometry) does not count as a physical thing?

9 hours ago, swansont said:

But does math exist?

I think yes. The Universe has geometry and a number of physical entities countable. (Independent we are aware of them or not). 

4 minutes ago, joigus said:

On the other hand, if you can mention anything that doesn't exist in any sense, I will answer all your questions

Nothing. The closest you can come to this sense is empty space(time)...

2 minutes ago, joigus said:

Nothing is the same, so in some sense, nothing exists.

So you mean you do not exist because you experiencing time. Interesting. Why?

Any of you previous memories, atoms or electrons could be recognisable in the next upcoming moment as time changes or you are an absolutely new individual by every passed moment of time? Why? 

41 minutes ago, swansont said:

Concepts don’t exist? 

If there is any physical or mathematical clue about its existence: might.

2 hours ago, Alex Mercer said:

What does it mean for something to exist?

 

 

Physically observable, mathematically expressible.

Liangzhu culture 3400 - 2250 BC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liangzhu_culture

I think it is trying to express the connection between Nature (God) and any Human, behind the the mask.

Looks like a 3D Jing-Jang to me. 

42 minutes ago, studiot said:

in the fact that you are using conventionally defined terms quite differently from convention

I try to apply them, maybe you could express why do you think I can or can not. 

42 minutes ago, studiot said:

To have a beginning or end time (or any axis) must work on Poincare measure (ie the graduations of the scale get smaller and smaller as you approcah those points so you never actually reach them.

I see this as a technical question yet we can not solve as we can not apply our math at t0. 

42 minutes ago, studiot said:

can't reach absolute zero of 'temperature', which is when incidentally an ideal gas has zero volume ie occupies zero space so exists as space time without space for as long as the gas is at absolute zero.

I dont really understand what you mean with this. There is a physical barrier, that we can not reach absolute 0 as you will never be able to observe and measure in space(time) without every energy and matter in it. As soon you have an electron in the system its temp is not absolute 0.

The proper time of the Universe, the current age of the first space(time)point seems to be absolute. 

Relativ is the co-ordinate time within Space

t0 is the proper time and x0 is the co-ordinate time. 

I have learned that space and time can not exist without one another. 

Because they can not exist without one another as energy and matter can not exist without space and time. Or is there any prove they can?

On 3/18/2021 at 9:41 PM, Phi for All said:

We can NOT predict the physical state of the universe at t=0. When we try, the densities and temperatures become infinite, which is usually an answer that tells us our maths have failed. 

If there is no time and space there is no energy and matter so I can predict that their mathematically expressible value is 0.

t0 is the first information about space and I wonder why we suppose that all currently existing energy and matter is present in that point of space and can absolutely NOT evlolve its amount in the overall universe despite the obvious linear development of space(time).

30 minutes ago, swansont said:

Physics doesn’t have an absolute t=0; it doesn’t work earlier than about 10^-43 sec. 

I understand that, that is why, to determine t 0 we has to rely on (basic) math.

We can not observe physically t0 but we can predict its physical state from the Laws of Nature determined function of Time to lineary tick towards the future in every point of space. 

If there is no space there is no time, if there is no space and time there is no energy and matter. 0. 

Sorry if not the conventional math you used to but I hope you can perceive what I try to mean: 

t0=s0=e0=m0

t1=s0,0(3D)=e1=m1

Should be

t2=s0,00(3D)=e2=m2  but If I understand we count it as t2=s0,00(3D)=e1=m1

6 minutes ago, swansont said:

First point?

Yes. t0

7 minutes ago, swansont said:

OK. And relativity is physics using coordinates within spacetime, which is perfectly consistent with what I said.

I agree. 

Time is relative in every point of space which is not the first space(time) moment of existence.

The proper time of the space at t0 has to be absolute (the age of the Universe) and if it is not absolute why and how? 

On 3/15/2021 at 5:43 PM, swansont said:

 

Time is something that can be studied in the context of physics. It is relative, not absolute.

 

The proper time of the Universe (the age of the first space(time)point seems to be absolute. Why do you think it is not?

Relativ is the co-ordinate time within Space

18 minutes ago, ahmet said:

I am sorry but I won't permit you say that

I am very happy you can not permit me to say that, but happy for your semi objection  

Maybe you could express/reason why You think time is linear or not?

On 3/14/2021 at 3:05 PM, dimreepr said:

No, for instance the Japanese tsunami arrived at different time's, along the coast; depending on the topography of the ocean floor...

Every point of space what the cunami will hit in different co-ordinate times existed before and will exist after the impact. 

On 3/14/2021 at 3:06 PM, Bufofrog said:

Since 2 observers in different inertial frames won't agree on the rate that time passes, I don't think time can be called linear.  I think sequential is a better term since observers will agree in the order that related events occur

Would the 2 observers in the different inertial frames would agree that the observed point of space gets older by every upcoming perceived moment independent from the framework of the observers. 

On 3/14/2021 at 9:24 PM, MigL said:

Proper time is necessarily linear, as the clock moves along your wordline.

"In relativity, proper time along a timelike world line is defined as the time as measured by a clock following that line. It is thus independent of coordinates, and is a Lorentz scalar.^[1] The proper time interval between two events on a world line is the change in proper time."

Co-ordinate time is not necessarily linear.

"Coordinate time is the time between two events as measured by an observer using that observer's own method of assigning a time to an event. In the special case of an inertial observer in special relativity, the time is measured using the observer's clock and the observer's definition of simultaneity."

Quotes from      Proper time - Wikipedia

Thank you MigL

It seems to be true for every pont of Space or the whole realm as One, the reason we can call it space(time). 

Hello Community!

One moment follows the other in every point of the volume space is. There is no point of space where time could flaw backwards. Can I say that time is Linear since in every point of space it is pointing to the Future?

20 hours ago, dimreepr said:

What if you can't manage it??? Would you be conent with that? 😉

It is relative, depending how we perceive reality.

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