Polinski

This is how glaciers form, by Summer snow and or longer snow seasons where the snow does not have time to all melt in the Summer.  However now as said we are now having Summer snow.

Funny how Al Gore has no comment...…………………………...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-mountains-snow-first-day-of-summer

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/06/23/denver-weather-summer-snow-mountains-rain/

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/06/22/summer-snow-is-celebrated-by-skiers-boarders-enjoying-extended-season/

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2019/06/25/trail-ridge-road-rocky-mountain-national-park-reopens-after-summer-snow/1564757001/

Yup the climate sure is changing, the oceans might be dropping soon as glaciation expands

3 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Plastics can have a significant effect on ecosystems, and any change in ecosystems can have further effects. Any changes are more likely to have detrimental than positive effects on higher organisms that evolved very slowly over long periods of time.

I'm not aware of any connection between plastics in the ocean and the expected rate of climate change, but climate change is not the only potential negative effect on an ecosystem. You of course would know that...but your comments don't reflect it.

 

I agree that the entire ocean pollution situation is very sad and needs to be addressed asap.  However the belief that banning straws is a step that will have meaningful impact on the overall situation merely elaborates the fact that delusional psychotics are in charge and making policy.

7 hours ago, beecee said:

We get hit by meteorites every day...It just depends on the size. And of course if humanity had of been around when the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs, it would also have done the same to us. And who said anything about straws destroying the planet.  Going on your attitude here with regards to pollution, your house must be a real pig sty.

The Earth does not get hit by meteorites that leave hundred mile wide craters everyday.  So why go here?

7 hours ago, Endy0816 said:

There'll still be axial tilt. Temperatures and weather will be off is the main issue. The Late Winter, Longer Summer effect.

More an issue for farming and human health/comfort. Honestly snow would be welcome right now. Seeing high temperatures earlier and earlier in the year here. Parts of the world are getting hit real bad.

 

Plastic in the oceans besides ending up in fish we eat is also changing the marine ecosystem. Organisms that were once restricted in movement now have an expanded niche. Change of this sort is not really a great thing with how our societies are set up.

 

The amount of overall plastics entering the ocean everyday might actually be a greater amount then the amount of drinking straws manufactured in all of human history, which means that straws are trivial.  Funny that cities are banning straws but not water and soda bottles that generate tax revenue.  Hypocritical delusional fools are in charge

34 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Great...we'll dump it off at your house

Its snowing in Colorado by the way because the solar minimum is here.  So much for al gores claim of no more snow.

Summer snow, ice age on the way

3 minutes ago, beecee said:

No. At the proposed time of the theoretical collision, the Earth was still partly molten and the Oceans did not exist. With your little straw nonsense, let me say that you can dismiss the science for as long as you like, but the evidence tells us different. 

Then there was the asteroid that hit the yucatan and killed the dinosaurs and the earth survived, only to be destroyed by straws.

Sure

18 minutes ago, beecee said:

The thermovents were discovered 40 odd years ago...the mirror pools and the pollution at such great depths were not....Unless of course you have some link detailing that they were discovered 40 years ago? Yep, better lighting etc was not available 40 years ago, hence the discovery this year.

And please, educate me as to what  the collision of any body with Earth, has to do with deep Ocean pollution? 

You overall appear rather hesitant that the mountains and mountains of plastic discard is causing any problem? Maybe it's time you did some realistic, scientific unbiased research into that field then.

Here, you can start your research here......https://www.wwf.org.au/news/news/2019/wwf-releases-report-on-global-plastic-pollution-crisis?gclid=Cj0KCQjwu-HoBRD5ARIsAPIPendfraEe4OM4rlU81yqAUsnmiTk

The moon was created by a collision of some sort with the earth, the earth the oceans and hydrothermal vents all survived.   That said the straws in my kitchen are not going to destroy the earth as some believe.  

22 minutes ago, beecee said:

Then I suggest you didn't read it fully. Let's start anyway with the "Mirror Pools" and of course the main point of the article and my posting it, the presence of pollution in the deepest parts of the Ocean.

Again I remember when these were first discovered, they were said to be a new type of life not dependent on the Sun, people speculated that life could have begun at these vents.  Chemosynthetic bacteria were new and alien to science.  The mirror pools actually represent better lighting and photography that was not available in the past, is there a straw there that threatens the Earth.  Yea some people say so.  The Earth survived a collision so great that the Moon was created, plastic isn't ending anything

14 minutes ago, Strange said:

Pain and smell can affect things other than the brain. 

But the smell must be smelled and comprehended by the brain, just as the pain must be felt and associated with the smell.  This can only happen in the brain which is the common denominator linking the two.  None of this makes any sense when compared to our current understanding of how DNA changes. 

21 minutes ago, beecee said:

The point of the article was not the discovery of hydrothermal vents, which certainly have been know for around 40 years.

That's what I said, so what was the point of the article if not the vents?  I read it and there was absolutely nothing new there.

4 minutes ago, beecee said:

Do you? 40 years ago? My article and links were/are from April this year. Do you have any link confirming those discoveries in my linked article, that they were discovered 40 years ago?

Hydrothermal vents were discovered in 1977.  I did a report on these in Oceanography class in 1981. 

Really

https://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/earth/geology-oceanography/info/hydrothermal-vent

3 minutes ago, Strange said:

I don't think all of the mechanisms involved are fully understood yet. However, I doubt it gets "from the mind" to the sperm cells, more likely that the triggering event (pain, in this case) causes changes in both.

Also, note that there are no mutated genes involved (that is why it is called "epigenetics"). I doubt it is "instant" either. The mice had to learn to associate the smell and the pain over a period of time; no doubt time is also required for the epigenetic modification to occur.

This might be a good resource to learn more: https://www.whatisepigenetics.com/fundamentals/

(Hopefully, someone with more expertise will be along soon!)

Pain is a trigger however the mind must be involved because a particular smell is involved that has to be remembered and transmitted to the sperm. Pain and smell have the mind in common

On 4/5/2019 at 6:31 PM, beecee said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/stunning-mirror-pools-and-other-wonders-discovered-on-the-edge-of-deep-sea-vents

Stunning 'Mirror Pools' Discovered on The Edge of Boiling Deep Sea Vents

MIKE MCRAE

4 APR 2019

It could be a landscape on an alien world. Strange optical effects and dazzling mineral formations bloom on the edge of water so hot it would be steam if not for the pressure of all that deep ocean above it.

"The vibrant colour found on the 'living rocks' was striking, and reflects a diversity in biological composition as well as mineral distributions."

(Schmidt Ocean Institute)

Fluted shelves of mineral stained in brilliant shades; life fed not by sunlight but by the seep of liquid bubbling up from below; shimmering fluids pooling beneath rock shelves, refracting light like quicksilver mirrors.

 

more at link......[Including an awe inspiring 7 minute video.

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Would any one seriously, after watching this video, doubt the wide spread  pollution we are causing on this planet? Anyone?

Another link.....

https://schmidtocean.org/new-lifeforms-and-mesmerizing-landscapes-discovered-on-ocean-floor/

 

Another.......

https://www.sciencealert.com/plastic-bag-found-deepest-point-ocean-we-should-all-be-ashamed-mariana-trench-pollution

A new study analysing over 30 years' worth of data on human-made trashfound in the deepest parts of the ocean reveals almost 3,500 pieces of plastic and other debris have been discovered littering these remote, fragile ecosystems.

The Mariana Trench is the deepest part of the entire ocean – home to distant, alien forms of marine life we know next to nothing about – but its remote, almost unreachable location doesn't mean we haven't found ways to carelessly spoil it.

 

I remember when these were discovered 40 years ago.  

What enables them.  That is to say as with the mouse experiments how does a learned fear of cherry blossoms get from the mind of a Male mouse to its sperm and offspring?  Noting that the mutated Gene's are not random mutations....  

https://www.nature.com/news/fearful-memories-haunt-mouse-descendants-1.14272

3 minutes ago, beecee said:

Are you going to have enough intestinal fortitude to answer my question?

I  dont accept any hypothetical about the universe being a simulation. And while you continue ranting, and failing to recognise that Tyson was also speculating on the nature of reality, you'll simply continue ranting.

My speculative scenario is that the BB arose from the quantum foam which can be defined as nothing. What's your speculative scenario? C'mon, I'm really interested to hear!

The law of conservation of mass (accepted science on Earth, all parts) demands that only nothing can come from nothing.

4 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

It's like you're talking to other people we can't see.... 

Very frustrating when this is supposed to be a conversation. Why are you bringing up Gates and Darwin and God? Didn't you come to a science discussion forum to discuss science?

Are you claiming that we are computer simulations discussing science? because that would make science simulated.

See I have created a no win situation here because you have to say that Tyson is wrong (your idol can never be wrong) or you have to  say that he is right which means you are a simulation in a simulated Universe. 

PS if you watch the video they all allude to the need for a simulation creator...…………..

6 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

Reasoning like this is painful to see. Your critical thinking skills are a dumpster fire. I don't mean to offend, and I'm not attacking you personally. Your arguments are silly and you're ignorant about a LOT of science that you openly criticize. Sorry. Really very sorry.

You can not offend me by mocking Tyson as you are

PS Bill Gates is a dropout, with a high school diploma

3 minutes ago, QuantumT said:

You are so wrong it's becoming ridiculous. Don't you have any pride? If you dio you should stop.

Is that why I bought Apple, Google, Netflix and Raytheon not to forget Alibaba

3 minutes ago, QuantumT said:

Before we can talk about what is real, we must first agree on how reality is perceived and measured. Do you know how?

According to Tyson there is no reality to measure, because what we perceive as real is simulated.

I think he watched one of those Star Trek Next Gen episodes with the Holodeck

1 minute ago, Moontanman said:

Before you embarrass your self again please show some evidence of a god before invoking a god. God is not an answer to anything and is infact a claim that needs evidence... 

I did not invoke God, Tyson did by saying that the universe could be a simulation.  Or do you believe that simulations powerful and large enough to be a universe are formed in Darwins pond that can not actually be there until after it is simulated, requiring a computer simulator programmer.  God

Tyson said it not me

1 minute ago, QuantumT said:

You are letting your personal feelings getting in the way of facts and learning. And in that process you wrongfully degrade good people.

Ok, teach me that you are not real

2 minutes ago, QuantumT said:

The research in that link only proves that you can't simulate a quantum based universe from inside a quantum based universe.

If we are simulated, I find it likely that QM is a biproduct of it. An area they either failed to see us discover, or an easter egg for us to find.
Either way, they do not have QM. That at least we can learn from that article.

According to Tyson your mind is a simulation so our realities are the product of what the simulation code wants us to percieve

Or if a simulated rock hits Tyson in the head, simulated pain has to be simulated before he can feel it

I tell ya magic mushrooms are everywhere

1 minute ago, Curious layman said:

What you talking about! Niel De Grasse Tysons a bonafide meme machine, he's a brilliant educator.

If Tyson is a brilliant educator, then you are a computer simulation that was formed in Darwin's pond.  Oh wait the pond is a simulation too so that can't be correct.  Tyson seems to be leaning to God is the simulation creator...……….

Yea brilliant

2 minutes ago, beecee said:

Wrong. DeGrasse Tyson was simply speculating. He was not claiming anything as fact. We also have speculation re parallel universes. In actual fact our knowledge, science and GR stops at t+10-43 seconds post BB. You need to accept that the scientific methodology involves speculation as the first step towards formulating scientific theories. Even SR/GR and the BB at one time were just speculation. 

Are those your thoughts or the simulated thoughts from the simulation

Nonsense taught in our schools

7 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

As much as I like Neil he is not the last word on this and has no evidence to back that up... 

Tyson is a lost pup looking for attention, he should use some physics to plot the stock market then he would have less free playtime

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227126-neil-degrasse-tyson-says-its-very-likely-the-universe-is-a-simulation

At the most recent Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, recently held at New York’s Hayden Planetarium, scientists gathered to address the question for the year: Is the universe a computer simulation? It’s an older question that you might imagine, and if we interpret it a bit more broadly then it’s really one of the oldest questions imaginable: How do we know that reality is reality? And, if our universe were a big, elaborate lie, could we ever devise some test to prove that fact? At the debate, host and celebrity astronomer Neil deGrasse Tyson argued that the probability is that we live in a computer simulation.

Contemplating the above for a moment leads to the fact that if the Universe is a computer simulation that the Earth is part of the Universe so it must be made of simulated computer code too, and Tyson as well must be a simulation contemplating that everything is simulated.  So when Tyson contemplates that reality is simulated it means that the simulation has become self aware that it is simulated.  I wonder, are magic mushroom trips simulated too.

Nonsense public funds are being wasted on at your local school.

Too bad logic cant be simulated

10 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

They're zero evidence of extraterrestrials. They are definitely evidence for UFOs. The two aren't equal.

And you bring this up why? Is this like your claim that the Navy says these UFOs are alien? 

 

No it was said that there is zero evidence that the crafts are alien.  Without the proper clearance this can not be claimed with authority.  There is a reason that we know of this and another reason that only security clearance holders were briefed.  The Navy is claiming that they have evidence.  Of what we do not know.

43 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Michio Kaku posted a video recently that made a pretty good case the things the Navy is reporting are highly maneuverable hypersonic drones being developed by the US and Russia... 

He most certainly does not have SAP clearance.  Furthermore this clown also says that we are computer programs in a virtual reality simulated universe

Daffy Duck made more sense

5 minutes ago, Strange said:

1. There was no animosity.

2. It depends on who we are not alone with, I guess.

3. There is zero evidence of that, so it is a moot question.

Radar recordings are not zero evidence. And you most certainly will never hold an SAP clearance to be briefed

But you know anyway 

3 minutes ago, Strange said:

Try reading what was said: "You can't claim to JUST be the messenger."

Or was it a deliberate straw man argument?

If you wish to argue you will have to argue with the Navy as I have made absolutely no claims

Have fun with that

21 minutes ago, Strange said:

All? Extremely unlikely. Most major countries probably have secret craft in development that only a limited number of people are aware of.

Also, people are generally very poor witnesses, especially of rapidly changing, one-off events. In particular, people cannot really tell the difference between a large thing that is a long way away, and a smaller thing that is nearer. Similarly, it is hard to distinguish something close and moving fast from something more distant moving slowly. Pilots are no less prone than anyone else to misinterpret what they see. And, being pilots, they will tend to interpret what they see as some sort of flying craft (because that is what they are most familiar with).

Radar systems are also quite capable of giving false readings. If they really saw something and if the same thing was recorded by radar, then it is intriguing. But we still don't have any information about what it was (it was unidentified, remember).

It is also possible that there is no connection between what they saw and what showed up on radar.

It is an unjustifiable leap to go from "unidentified" (and, presumably, unidentifiable) to "ALIENS!!!!1!"

Why such animosity?  Would it not be a good thing if we were not alone?