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Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void. 

God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the formless earth (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his spiritual realm. 

The emergence of Light (Gen 1:3) was when Our Lord God YHWH or Jesus, the Son, came forth from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world. Then, Jesus,  took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang,which cooled and became our Cosmos. That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.

16 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

Which version of the book contains the word ”multiverse”? 

A Multiverse is composed of 2 or more Universes.

According to the Scripture (KJV):

Gen. 1:6-8 tells us the first heaven (Universe-Cosmos-Heaven) was made on the SECOND Day.

Gen. 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Heaven is defined in Gen. 1:8) were made on the THIRD Day.

That is 3 firmaments or boundaries of a Heaven (Cosmos, Universe-world) made by the 3rd Day.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. v2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 

It's a Multiverse, alright. 

The Invisible Almighty God Father first CREATED the physical elements needed in order for his Son to Physically make/form the heavens and the earth with his own hands. In the context of Genesis 1:1-2, I see the narrative as saying:

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Scriptures were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.

Based on the Scripture:

Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

Then WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL -- tells us HOW Moses or other Ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and seemingly knew the Theory of Relativity?  Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact.

Would that means, God is the real Author behind the Book of Genesis and not some Ancient men.... of course!

Our God is an Awesome God.

31 minutes ago, koti said:

Yep, youre a hopeless moron. As a human I feel sory for you, you will become nothing as you will teach your children the same mindless drivel youre posting here. It is a sad Saturday for me. On the other hand I still have a paper to read on the fuzzball theory that Strange posted yesterday, I’ll just heat up some leftover spaghetti and I’ll get right to it. You have yourself a great life with the mindless crap you have in your mind.

Have you noticed that the biggest losers shout the loudest? I have given evidence which he reject very quickly. He has NOT refuted a single bit of evidence I have provided. I don't know if this is a tactic of someone who knows, they don't know, or if its purposeful in a vain effort to show everyone how smart he thinks he is.

Instead, it shows his limited capacity at social interaction. He come son like a ham handed cave man demanding "evidence." No matter how much  are given, it's his only comeback. Evidence, evidence, he shouts. Does he know any other words? or does he wishes to keep looking like a thug?

18 minutes ago, koti said:

Yep, youre a hopeless moron. As a human I feel sory for you, you will become nothing as you will teach your children the same mindless drivel youre posting here. It is a sad Saturday for me. On the other hand I still have a paper to read on the fuzzball theory that Strange posted yesterday, I’ll just heat up some leftover spaghetti and I’ll get right to it. You have yourself a great life with the mindless crap you have in your mind.

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Please provide the overwhelming evidence on Adam being the first human. I've had a conversation with many species other than humans, not only Apes (I've spoken to a chimp once) You seem like a cognitively crippled religious moron, why are you here? Why don't ypu crawl into some religious forum on the internet and leave us alone? I myslef am not going around religious forums on the net trying to convince people that Biology works or that the Lorentz transforms work - why won't you respect that and stick to your stuff elsewhere since youre not willing nor capable of fullfiling the rules here (broadly speaking science is the rule here

And as a personal note, your God sucks. I'm seeing he/she doesn't give a shit about childred dying every day, your god is either a mass murderer/psychopath or just sits there and doesn't give a shit. Both scenarios renders him/her a piece of crap. You still have a chance of becoming a better person than your imaginary god, its up to you if you will.

 

Dear Godless Evol,

Christians are flawed humans who know in their hearts, that God's Holy Word is the Truth. By faith, they have defended their understanding, because they knew something was wrong with the Theory of Evolution.

The weakness, which destroys the Theory, is that Mindless Nature produced today's highly intelligent Humans. With NO evidence of How or when we changed from animal to Human, these speculators falsely assume that we must have Evolved our Human intelligence, along with our physical bodies.

In order to support their incorrect, incomplete, untrue Theory, Evols call names, filter, lie and attempt to discredit God's Truth, and Creationists, in any way they can.

Why do these people hold such allegiance to the Theory of Evolution? Because they have been brain wash and defending it for 150 years, now.

Can you see why Creationists have such an allegiance to the story of the Creation. We have been defending it for more than 2,000 years, now. 

The False Theory of the Evolution of Human Intelligence is a Lie, with No evidence to support it.

2 hours ago, beecee said:

While you obviously get your fairy tales from the bible, you know, that obscure book, written by obscure men in an obscure age, you are probably correct in that Earth will be destroyed by fire. This will happen in around 5 billion years time, when the Sun has swelled into a red giant, engulfing the Earth. Unless of course we are hit with an asteroid or comet before hand. Let me also add to your education and alleviate your ignorance, in telling you that even the Catholic church now accepts the theory of evolution, so great is the evidence for it. That also applies to the BB which again they accept. Any supposed god or magical deity as an explanation for the universe we see, has been pushed into near oblivion.

Hope that helps.

Dear Evols,

The Theory of Relativity which reveals that matter and energy are interchangeable. It's WHERE the energy to produce matter came from, when God changed the Energy in which He dwells into the heaven (air) earth (ground) and water of the physical world. God took from that which does not appear and brought it into the physical world.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

That's God's Truth which agrees with Albert Einstein. NOW, it is YOUR time to tell us HOW Ancient man, thousands of years BEFORE Science, knew this and wrote this. You CANNOT since ONLY God could have gotten this one correct, scientifically. It's more PROOF of God. God is smarter than Albert. Correct?

6 hours ago, Strange said:

I don't know what an "Evol" is. Presumably some sort of stupid religious insult. 

The time it took for humans to develop agriculture is irrelevant to the evolution of modern humans. 

But note that agriculture depends on the domestication of plants. This is only possible because evolution happens.

Again, do you have any evidence for these claims?

Please provide evidence that Noah arrived in spaceship from another planet. I have not heard this before, so I assume you have some very compelling evidence. 

So was Noah from Mars? Or from another Star system completely? Is he related to Xenu, the alien that Scientologists worship?

 

Inside your own unbelieving body. You have the DNA of Mt. Eve...AND...the human intelligence of Adam. You, as a Species, inherited your DNA long BEFORE you evolved into a human being. Mt. Eve was NOT human. She did NOT descend from Adam. Did she?

You inherited Adam's superior intelligence from Adam, in the SAME way you got your DNA from Mt. Eve. The foolish Theory of Evolution wants you to believe the Fairy Tale that mindless Nature and long periods of time and uncounted mutations changed you into a Human. What Tripe. What foolishness.

The evidence that you descended from Adam, the first human, is overwhelming since NO Ape and NO other creature on the face of this Earth is able to carry on a conversion with either one of us, and NONE of them posts. That is because mindless Nature does NOT create Human intelligence in Apes, as some mindless Evols insist. You get it from your parents, and NO Ape has EVER evolved into a human. That's God's Truth.

12 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

IOW, you talk bollocks...

My experience is that it's mostly Evols who complain about everything in order to change the subject away from their ignorance of our true origins.

Are you another of those people who has no idea of how or when we magically evolved from Ape to Human intelligence?

If so, I'll get ready to read more of your complaints.

Humans did NOT share a common ancestor with Apes. We inherited the DNA of prehistoric mankind, who DID evolve along with Apes, after God created "every living creature that moveth" from the water on the 5th Day. Gen. 1:21

IOW, Prehistoric man evolved into today's Humans but Humans did NOT evolve from prehistoric man. Our common ancestor was Adam, the first Human. Prehistoric man was NOT human no matter how many men classify him as such. This is because prehistoric man did NOT descend from Adam.

Adam was a Special Creation formed with a higher intelligence level than any other creature who will ever live. He was made billions of years before any creature which evolved from the water. This means that the entire Theory of Evolution is compromised and shown to be False since it has NOT taken into account God's Holy Word in Genesis.

Refute God's Truth if you think you can. I think YOU, like all Evols, will find it impossible to prove that YOU know more than God. What you will learn is that God's Holy Word is much more powerful than any man's flawed theory. So, proceed with the knowledge that your view will soon be defeated, by God's Truth, the unchanging Truth.

34 minutes ago, Strange said:

This is a science forum, not a Sunday school, so: do you have any evidence that evolution is false? 

If not, we can ignore your claims.

Sure... Evols are willingly ignorant that their story does NOT agree with History. A good example is the fact that Evols CLAIM that we became fully human some 195k years ago. They ignore the Historic fact that the FIRST human agriculture did not occur until some 10k years ago, which is a trait of modern humans. 

IOW, the people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, were NOT humans (they were Prehistoric Mankind) but only looked like humans since they had NO Agriculture until Noah arrived from another world. Evols should adjust their False assumption since Humans (Adam's descendants) did not arrive until some 10k years ago. 

Below is evidence of the arrival of Humans just southwest of the mountains of Ararat, where Noah arrived. Human civilization began in Northern Mesopotamia exactly where the first Human cities appeared which were built by Noah's great grandsons. Genesis 10 History and Scripture AGREE, but the False ToE does NOT agree with either. That's because Lies do not agree with any other Truth.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE 

Noah's flood did NOT happen in our Universe, but totally dissolved the world of Adam' (1st firmament of  heaven). Adam's small world placed beneath the surface of water in Lake Van, Turkey and the Ark end up floating in the waters of the biggest Lake in the middle east, when the windows of their heaven on high were opened. It rained for forty days and nights and the firmament began to sink into the Lake. As the firmament filled with water, the covered Ark rose above the ground and out of the firmament into Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, and into our 2nd Heaven, which was not surrounded by water. ALL of this happened on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Genesis 7 20-24 and Genesis 8:4 . If it sounds like Atlantis, so be it.

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Our world has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 Christians will all be in the Third Heaven by that time. Genesis 2:1 That's God's Truth.

On 3/2/2019 at 2:58 AM, Vexen said:

I was wondering when was the soul imparted into humans during the course of evolution?

Man (Adam) was made the 3rd Day (Gen. 2:4-7) becoming a natural living soul - which was billions of years, in man's time, BEFORE life came forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen. 1:21 Adam was made as we will be made in Heaven, with a perfect body, which will never die. Adam also had an intelligence level like God's (Gen. 3:22) This is because mankind is destined to have dominion over EVERY other living creature whose origin was in water. Gen. 1:29

Evolution falsely teaches that mankind evolved from other living creatures in direct opposition to God's Truth. Unable to tell us How and When Apes changed into Humans, these false teachers, still force feed their foolishness to our children in Public Schools. They feed their false theory to young children because adults refuse to believe them, unless they were brain washed as children.