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  1. Hi Cap'n Just wanted to thank you and Dave for your hard work. I like many others had to go through a period of adjustment but I think the upgrade has turned out really well. BTW a long time ago I did some web page hosting. If you want to know how long ago I was on a dell running Window's 95 and now my computer is a Galaxy S8. How things change.
  2. Hi Manticore 1st time posting on the new board and also my new phone so if I make errors please forgive. A coincidence is just an unexpected aligning of facts so I can't see what there is to debunk. I have read both the skeptoid and snopes articles on this subject and they more concerned with what L.A. said. We should expect these things to happen. If someone had made the claim that this was supernatural I am sure you could provide evidence to the contrary. But Studiot made no such claim and neither am I. With that said I find these types of coincidence remarkable and very interesting. Hi Studiot Congrats you have posted my all time favorite string of coincidences. Lets add a few shall we. In 1863 or 1864 Edwin Booth (John Wilke's brother) pulled Robert Lincoln (Abraham's son) out of the path of an oncoming train. Robert went on to see one president die, his father, and see another president get fatally shot, James A. Garfield, and he was close by when James McKinley was assassinated. Also in 1911 The White Star Line launched 3 luxury liners the Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. Stewardess Violet Jessop was on the Olympic when it collided with another ship. The Olympic made it back to shore with no casualties. She was on the Titannic when it sank and the Britannic when it sank. Such a brave woman she continued to go out to sea for many more years before she retired. Also Mark Twain came in with Halleys comet and went out with Halleys comet. He famously predicted his death. BTW he didn't believe in the supernatural it was more of a joke that coincidentally came true. Mark Twain AKA Samuel Clemens
  3. Yes we agree and already knew that. Did you know that even the most brilliant scientist couldn't walk at that stage? Agree, already knew. Agree, already knew. I'm a layman, Doctor, with only a passing interest in linguistics and what you have presented so far is nothing new. Perhaps you could take a stable at the Indus Valley script. That might be interesting.
  4. Well relaxed in the way they will give you a chance especially if you're not a repeat offender. Sure they have no problem dropping the hammer when called for.I like this board the best because it allows for new ideas without descending into chaos. Even though I'll never have a thread there speculations is one of my favorite forums. I just like to see what people think.
  5. Exactly, I think most of fall somewhere in between intellectual and laborer. I'm probably pretty close to the middle. Yeah pretty neat, similar to a dovetail joint I have used building cabinets. Only with a dovetail you do need a little glue. If you're talking about being contacted after hours I agree and have been put in that situation.I was referring more to thinking about how to work out a problem and of course sometimes the reverse is true I've started a small shed and sometimes it's on my mind at work. I think I'll stick to my cordless drill and screws tho. Yeah I agree but also if you like what you do it's not really work.I work a rotating 12 hour shift (I'm at work right now) and I'm only required to work 3 days one week (36 hours) and 4 days the next (48) but I usually work 1 or 2 of my off days. If I didn't enjoy the job I probably wouldn't. We actually have on our crew a 55 year old single man who works 6 to 6 Mon thru Sat. That's 84 hours a week and he doesn't do it for the money. There's just nowhere else he would rather be. Yeah maybe 9 years till I retire if everything goes well. And as much as I enjoy what I do I look forward to it. Like you I am not concerned about boredom at all.
  6. Born in Cocoa Beach FL. Raised all over but I've been in or near Florence Al for a long time now. And BTW I work 60 hours (more or less) per week and​ enjoy most of them. The few hours I don't enjoy are really bad.
  7. And I am glad you feel that way. That's not the problem. The problem is assuming people work one way or another when most of us use both. Intelligence and physical labor. But yes I should have said it the first time. Thank you for valuing all the contributing members of our society I do feel the same way. We are all needed.
  8. Look guys I am sure you don't mean to be but you are in fact insulting a large portion of the population. Boilermakers, electricians, plumbers, carpenters​, and people like me have all these skills and many more use both mind and body to get our jobs done. Sensei's mistake IMO was to assume that only intellectuals work on problems in their head while at home or whatever. I can assure you that is untrue. I'm am working on a water reclimation project right now and thinking on it is how I put myself to sleep at night. And it's not stressful it is something I enjoy. On the other hand you both seem to think there are two kinds of people in the world, those who work from the neck up and those who use from the neck down. Almost nobody is really like that.
  9. Hi Sensei Most of the time I really like your posts but wow is this one condescending. I am just a run of the mill maintenance guy at my factory and no one would ever mistake me for a "true intellectual" but I spend a lot of my free time thinking of projects at work. I actually enjoy my job and the challenges it provides. Without me and millions of others doing what we do the "true intellectuals" would be busy fixing the toilet instead of making the breakthroughs we all enjoy so much.
  10. Well, Dick, it seems you have provided some evidence for your claim by misunderstanding the word "speculation". However some counter evidence might be the vast infrastructure man has built using language. I think most of us understand that language has it's limitations but that's all there is. Written language, spoken language, sign language, you can even use math as a language. If you use it to communicate then it is a language and misunderstandings will occur. I am curious as to what your proposal is. If you would present it (instead of goofing around) and it has merit I feel sure discussion will follow.
  11. Thank you. I read through the entire link and found it very informative but also heart-rending. For anyone out there who thinks this is a simple cut and dried issue please go to the link and read some of these girls stories. If I ever implied in any way that this was an easy decision I am sorry it was never my intention. Two other things I got from the link. 1) Fixing poverty will go a long way towards fixing this problem. 2) The cases of abortion due to rape are underreported. Reading some of the girls stories it was obvious they were being abused and didn't think of it as rape but it was or same as.
  12. My first request was aimed at pro life advocates, please assist in better sex education and more contraception availability.My second was for everyone to look for better ways of dealing with the problem of unwanted pregnancy. My third was to the pro choice members, admit there is a problem which you have done more than once and try to understand my point of view which I'm not sure you have. Early in the thread Delta brought up the problem of these two camps understanding each other. I quoted this above in the hope that we would all try a little harder. You read me about right. I can drink all I want as long as I stay put but as soon as I crank up the car I have crossed a line. This can be caused by ignorance as well.As I said before I don't only think the woman is being irresponsible but the man as well. Yes I know it is all to easy for him to shirk his responsibility and that is often exactly what happens. I cannot change the circumstances anymore than I can give the unborn a voice. Did you read the survey of reasons given? Beyond their control accounted for less than 2%. Thank you. It was not a trick question. The motives you assigned to me are incorrect.It was important for me to hear you say abortion isn't just one of many options rather it is the last option. I have talked to more than a few pro choice advocates who do not take that position. Again thank you. I looked through the CDC report and did not find your claim that 51% were using birth control at the time of contraception.Please provide a cite while I contemplate how this might change some of my views.
  13. Whoa that dog won't hunt kemosbie. It's not a term used in North Alabama and I'm pretty sure in most of the "old South".Anyways I ain't claiming him. Yes it's a very old supposed Cambridge study in linguistics. I think the university denied it years ago. This was the first link I came across from 2007.http://scienceavenger.blogspot.com/2007/12/cambridge-word-scramble-study-its-fake.html?m=1
  14. Thank you. And that is a good motivation, good enough, and part of mine as well but of course I would add sanctity of life to the list. I covered the rape situation above it is a very small number 1%. I am willing to make exceptions in hardship cases. And as I said before I'm not asking for a total ban but in 2013 we(USA) had 200 abortions per 1,000 live births. That is one in every five. Of course if I had my way the number would be zero but I am not going to get my way. I have no interest in any of those things. I also have no interest in controlling men's bodies but if a man cannot control his alcohol intake and is out running over people in his car a decision has to be made by a responsible society. I know that is a bit extreme but I think you are ignoring what Delta said, you see a bag of chemicals, an undetermined possibility and I see a helpless baby, a human like me. You are also ignoring the fact that I never suggested a ban in any way. What I am asking for here is suggestions on how to make abortion a rare thing. Is one in every five fetuses aborted acceptable to you? I also don't think the whole responsibility should be placed on women. If I have unprotected sex knowing I am not in a situation to raise a child I am just as complicit as she is. Unfortunately it is so easy for me to sneak out the back door but then they make words for people like that.
  15. So does this mean that you have given up on your other wild idea? http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/103220-a-logical-perspective-on-the-origins-of-homo-sapiens-sapiens/page-1
  16. For me this too is kicking the can down the road. Whether or not we can get to the boundary much less outside of it. It still exists ergo there must be something on the other side and if it's nothing then it must be an infinity of nothing. But what is this boundless yet finite space contained in? Again we have kicked the can down the road. This is just my opinion and I can't really prove it but I am convinced there is no way around infinity.The only other option in my mind is for time and space to have spontaneously started from a complete nothingness. BTW I just gave the nothing a name so now it is something.
  17. As a long time pro lifer I can understand your confusion. Yes a total ban used to be my position but I realized the futility of that sometime ago.What I am asking for here and now is for the pro life bunch to get over their aversion to readily available contraception and the pro choice group to quit acting like all we want is to dominate the female body. I would also like the admission that it is a barbaric practice and a shame on us all that up to this point we haven't been able to do any better. More and better education and more readily available contraception is what I think the pro life movement should concentrate on since we screwed this up so bad in the past. ... I forgot to address your point. Yes illegal abortions would surely rise but I also think that more women would opt for adoption. It is impossible to say what percentage would do what.
  18. I have been through this thread a couple of times today and I feel the need to say that you have all done a really good job considering the subject. Particularly Raider who has fought a good and clean fight. I am going to revisit Delta's words of guidence given early in the thread here in a few but first I want to put some numbers out there to help us all see where we have been and where we are headed. Over 51 million abortions in 47 years in the U.S. alone and that's just what's been reported. Anyone want to guess at a more global number? Not me. But it any case it is not acceptable. BTW these numbers are from the Center of Disease Control via Wiki who started keeping tabs in 1970. The numbers grew rapidly peaking in 1987 at 356 per 1,000 live births. Well over a third. Since then the numbers have declined significantly. 2013 - 200 per 1,000. So some good news apparently education and contraception do work and we need to continue to grow in that regard and I know a lot of us on the pro life side have pushed back against these things and I am sorry. Those of us who did were wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States In the U.S. abortion is legal up to the 24th week. However most abortions occur far before that. I did not know this till today and while I still don't agree with abortion I do think earlier is less horrible. In 2013 - 66% were before the 8 week mark and 91% before the 13th week. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/ss6512a1.htm As usual in these debates some of the justification for legal abortion have been the hardship cases such as rape but this is statistically such a small number I think it should be divorced from the primary debate. I will let my personal feelings known in due course. But first let's look at a study done in why this choice is sometimes made. I urge you to look up all the studies done on this so you can see they line up fairly well. BTW rape victims more often then not keep their baby. This has certainly been educating for me and I hope for you as well. And no I don't think abortion is the first option for any of you and I would hope we can work together to at least make it a very rare thing. Very much alive and well. This is a moral question not a religious one. If you don't know who Christopher Hutchins was you need to find. He was pro life. You really need to read this article and educate yourself. http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/ Please read the article. Also http://www.plagal.org/geninfo.html I don't really think so. It's a compromise. Yes I think that it is murder of an innocent for the actions of the guilty on the face of it. But yet I will never be in that situation and can hardly know what the victim goes through. I just don't feel qualified to look a rape victim in the eye and tell her what she must or must not do. It's not an easy question to answer. I wonder how taking that many pills would be for you health wise never mind the cost. But there are several different forms of contraception available to you and I would hope you can find one that works for you. I really don't have a good answer for this now but I wanted you to know I read it and am thinking about your point.As for the second part sure some pro lifers are mysoginists but certainly not all. See the links I left for Dimreeper above. I have no wish to control you. That's it for tonight I am tired but as promised a few words from Delta that I hope we all take to heart. You said it so much better than I ever could and I wish more people understood that being on the other side of this argument does not make you a monster.
  19. Hi substitutematerials I think you meant inconceivable as in you find the concept of infinity inconceivable. I think you comprehend the concept just fine but you refuse to accept it. And that's OK as I don't think we have a lot of evidence either way. I do think however that we have to accept at least one of two hard to accept concepts. 1) Something is infinitely old. 2) Something came from nothing. Both are very hard for me to accept but I have to accept that at least one and possibly both are true. One question for you. If the universe is finite what lies on the other side?
  20. Your welcome. I hope you go back to the home page and explore some of the other maps. We are lucky there are so many free resources these days.
  21. No expiration date I think in books by Arthur C. Clarke there are creatures on the moon that eventually evolve sentience. The warning was "All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landing there. Use them together. Use them in peace."
  22. This whole thing is just silly. I'm sending this to you via my phone which for the last couple of years has become the only computer I need and according to a few posters in this thread was invented and refined by persons with no imagination. Really, do some of you think that? Here is a short list of scientists/artist alive and well today. They refute your notions. http://www.artandscience.org.uk/artists/ Also 2blade brought up Einstein who is often portrayed as some kind of anti-scie test rebel. He was actually an accomplished mathematician before the age of 15. He learned the book and then rewrote the book. https://theeconomyofmeaning.com/2013/07/27/science-myths-did-einstein-failed-his-fourth-grade-math-class/ Albert was also a fine violinist. Go figure.
  23. We have another 10 years more or less before the actual unmanned probe (hopefully) reaches Jupiter's moon Europa. NASA/JPL have a mission team assembled and a penciled in launch date of 2020's. To help pass the time I highly recommend this movie. It is a faux documentry of a manned mission to Europa. It is on Netflix and DVD and maybe some other streaming channels I'm not sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Report
  24. Hi Daecon http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galgrps/vir.html
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