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This is interesting

https://highered.mheducation.com/sites/9834092339/student_view0/chapter10/stimulation_of_cell_replication.html

 

 

The OP implies that replicating a cell is impossible.

Right well, I guess you have the answer then, cells do replicate

 

 

Did you need an assembler to build you as you grew up? How did your cells replicate on their own, without this outside help?

You got a good point but cell building cell is different, the op intends to build it from an atomic scale, you don't replicate a cell atomically

What is your evidence that this would be necessary? Do I need an atomic assembler to make water from H2 and O2?

 

Did Miller and Urey need an atomic assembler for the results they got from their experiment?

Well, H2 and O2 combines to form water by releasing heat. The same heat and work is required to break apart bonds. What you need is an assembler that brings the atom to the right place and assemble them, not throw everything in a solution and expect a human to come out. But if you do figure out a way to bring every atom to the right place then forgive me, you are on the right track, without taking hundreds or thousands of years

Sex?

Well the way how meiosis repair DNA can also be used to repair normal cells if not reverse aging. Even if it does not there are still things we can learn from this mechanism toward reverse aging and immortality. I'm thinking DNA damage theory is not specific enough to cover everything at this point, still I respect the one that came up with the theory. I am not the guy who got a powerful enough microscope to observe DNA nor do I have a PHD in Biology degree. But this is a speculation forum, if you guys have any facts to challenge this idea feel free to bring it on

Personally I think it's a very interesting theory, to construct a human from an atomic scale precisely. Well but you will have to look into atomic assembler or molecular assembler or even nano factory. To build an assembler of that scale still needs some work. In breaking the bonds with either pulling force or some type of enzyme and assemble them

Well if meiosis is capable of fixing the damaged DNA, shouldn't we employ the same mechanism on our body? Or does each generation becomes more damaged then the previous generation?

 

"Telomerase activity is extinguished during embryonic differentiation in most somatic cells but remains active in some tissues, such as male germ cells"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC120798/

 

"Telomerase activity was detected in fetal, newborn, and adult testes and ovaries, but not in mature spermatozoa or oocytes."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8934879

 

"Only in theory" ? You do know that "theory" is the strongest case science can make?

Well then what really differs in a cell created through mitosis and the original cell? The cell created through mitosis is slightly bit older than the previous cell, possibly with some loss in telomere length. Does that mean all we need to do to get younger is by lengthening the telomere? What about the DNA damage theory?

P.S. Well, hook me up with one if you ever get it to work, counting on you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase

Telomerase is only in theory. By checking the sperm cell wouldn't that confirm everything?

So as I've mentioned before. If the cell divide with mitosis, it would produce an identical cell at the same age. Just like I am age 30, so my cell would go through mitosis and produce an identical cell of age 30. Now here is my question about aging, when a cell goes through meiosis it produces cells with chromosomes that are halved known as gametes(sperm and egg). When sperm and egg combines, it produces a zygote which is of age zero (something that will turn into a baby). Now how does a human of age 30 produces sperm of age zero with meiosis? Some suggests that telomere is the key to aging, but when sperm is produced, is the telomere completely restored? I'm pretty sure normally there wouldn't be any defects to the babies, and humans doesn't give birth to a baby with shorter telomere, that means to reverse aging or to set the DNA back to its zero state is done in meiosis and all we have to do is to open a sperm and check its DNA to find out. If the sperm's DNA has a longer telomere, then we know it is restored in the meiosis process. If it is not, then something else might be at work.

Then there is the DNA damage theory, the DNA damage theory says that your DNA gets damaged as you grow older, but I think the zygote or babies can't possibly grow up with damaged DNA from the sperm, that means the DNA must also be repaired in the meiosis process. If the DNA is not repaired, then we know that DNA damage does not contribute to aging, all that matters is the telomere, or something else. I would like to know what you think Strange if you are reading this post

Well, I'll focus on transferring life for now for old animals

Might have to break my promise = =

http://www.openworm.org/index.html

This is from my post in Crunchyroll:

Hmm, to address your idea about consciousness. One thing I know is that everyone has different consciousness. We don't know what others are thinking. If we imagine the brain has a continuous current, which it doesn't because it's electrochemical, we'd think that our brain another other people's brains are linked, why, because the current is continuous. Where it's left off is picked up on the other end by another continuous stream. Now you would argue, hey the electronic circuit has current running at the speed of light, but how come not two hardware shares the same circuit by my theory. Well I can't really explain this one. I would say the difference is in speed, one goes at the speed of light, the other, our brain, goes at the speed of 150M/S. So if our brain is not a continuous stream of current, what distinguish one consciousness from the other. My guess would be timing and how electrical signals are fired in the brain. Not two people have identical electrical signals firing at the same spot at the same time so it's all about synchronizing this signal. Imagine a signal traveling down the neuron with plus being the electrical signal reaches the end of the neuron --------+ +--------- jump to the other neuron of a brain somewhere distant, but well within 150m/s, then it circles back into the original brain's neuron, sort of like taking a walk, run, walk to the other side and back, would you gain the memory and consciousness of the other brain. I would say it is very likely, and this is the idea I've been thinking that is possible to transfer consciousness.
But then the other day I found out that consciousness could be generated from voltage. Sort of like blowing air into a conch shell creating a resonance effect. You know how every brain's structure looks similar, they all got this circular loop somewhere. Transferring voltage would be a lot harder than simply synchronizing the signal because you need to retain the voltage's signal shape. Then there is also the electromagnetic field theory where consciousness is actually caused by electromagnetic field. But the good thing is there isn't anything that the computer cannot simulate. All the way from ions to electromagnetic field to possibly voltage even though it's not defined still.
So I am in the process of figuring out the origin of consciousness. It could be voltage, or electromagnetic field, and attempt to simulate that inside a computer.
And assuming some scientists figure all these out, god bless us, we'll be well on our way to digital immortality.

The other problem I found is that if someone speeds up the digital world, meaning the time goes faster and you think faster inside the digital world, it could be a problem. But assuming this isn't the case and our technology is still not capable of speeding up the digital world then we should be alright. I would think that if such a technology exist it would sped up the whole evolutionary process, has everything figured out, we are left alone on a stand still, and the guy up there wouldn't bother with digital immortality.

But anyway, this is just a discussion about life with digital immortality. I personally like the anime Expelled From Paradise in how they show the idea of digital immortality and space exploration. If there's other anime like this I'd gladly check it out

Nvm, I am trying to rush this thing. I think immortality would still be created at a normal pace, just takes longer, forget my comment on that, sor

You'll need some type of supercomputer, the K computer is capable of computing 10% of the human brain in 40 minutes using the NEST software. I believe that you can use supercomputer that builds on graphics card for faster simulation and parallel computing. They could be building software for better simulation. But well we need a brain scanner capable of scanning the brain at a molecular scale. Then we simulate this brain using a supercomputer. As computer gets faster and better, we can have memory that is non degradable, maybe a home computer can run it in the future

So you got a brain constructed inside a computer. Your eyes can be designed to look inside the computer or outside at the real world possibly by hooking to a camera. You never get hungry because you control your senses. You can program your food by programming your palette. You can change your shape and form by transferring your consciousness to different brains in the virtual world. You construct your own memory. You model your own house. You design your own Physics. You might have old neighbors. Everything works like an MMORPG but it's free because energy would be free, the hardware might break but can be replaced, and there only requires maintenance from the outside. What you need to pay for in an MMORPG is fashion, and you work by coding, drawing, or generating ideas. You choose when you wish to be terminated. You are immortal.

Now there is this one thing that's been worrying me is that you might be able to speed up time in a digital world. Technically your consciousness runs at 150M/S so you really can't think faster in a digital world. But if there is a way to speed up time this whole idea might takes some more planning.

Then you live until one day the technology advanced so you can build your own flesh and blood in the real world again. What do you guys think?

P.S. Feel free to support your ideas with shows, animations, and movies. I prefer the anime Expelled From Paradise about the views on digital immortality world, other than the AI, I could be wrong.

And the most important of all, don't end up in bunny hell

Hmm, the biggest problem I see about the current AR applications is that the image overlap the fingers. Without depth perception you can't really decide whether the image of the button should show through or should not show through. Again the hardest problem is perception. So by having the XYZ coordinates of the hand(glove) and the objects would help calculate whether the image should show through or not when it appears on the camera. To get even more detailed you would need a scan of all the objects presented in your room to check if the AR image should show through your desk or not. But before we get there, we will need an accurate location tracker of the hand and its collisions with the objects. The desk would be constructed by scale into the virtual world without a scanning technology, you simply program all these objects in a 3D environment similar to that of Unity to decide when the objects should show or not based on the location of the camera. Now I want to make this software based so that it is easier to update the software then the hardware. The location tracker shouldn't be that big of a problem. The actual physics behind punching the button or having the images show or not show would be something to overcome. I really enjoy the hyper-reality video I posted

Alright, before you consider this as an ad, it is not. Throughout the years I took computer courses and see various computer programs let it be graphics, algorithms, recommendations, Youtube, Google, search engines. I want to know how to earn money with it aside from the standard I take a contract and design a web page for the contractor or company. I want to create something that would allow me to earn money, let it be data analysis or graphics. Anyone knows any idea how computer programs can be used to earn money? I'm not saying doing it in an illegal way but something that gathers a little bit of money like a cent or two a day. A search engine maybe? The next Facebook? Any ideas would be cool

So here's my idea about a decision. For instance, if you want to meet up with a good looking girl. I would probably create a personality test, hobby, clothing,etc since you don't know what they think. Then you analyze the image to classify base on their looks and the answers they have. Now you create a tree to see if there is a strong correlation between the good looking girl and the personality, or the food they like, or the clothes they wear. And by following the decision tree, for example, look for girls in blue cloth, or look for girls that like fish, you could potentially increase the chance of finding the girl you want. I agree there are a lot of variables, the strong correlation between the good looking and the personality has to be established. The accuracy of the decision would be based on the size of the database or the strength of the correlation(someone verify this for me). The statistics won't lie, and this is only the decision tree for meeting a good looking girl

P.S. Nvm, it's probably easier based on genetic sequence, personality and traits are environmental, but still statistics don't lie

Actually personality tests because it got fewer selections

Actually you are creating multiple timers with trade off on collision detection, but then you need to take into the account of parallel computing , it might work

P.S. Actually, you can have infinite timers, but you still need collision checks in the subsequent circuit design, which would take a good few if statements, depends on how many of that you can run in parallel

 

An interesting idea. If you can design a Turing (compatible) computing machine based on that then, yes you could build a brain!

 

You could use some of the circles for storage and some for communicating data from one place to another. You would have to work out a way of making basic logic gates or other decision functions. But it might be possible.

Well a computer requires inputs and like you said, inputs are 3rd dimension

Well I've argued in another forum that you can't simulate a computer faster than the existing computer's hardware build so

So you just have a number of independent current loops. What use is that?

How about a cog type of design? You swap current(wood) to the other cog, no jumps. Right you still need to swap it. Alright I guess you need to exert some type of control and you're saying this control is 3rd dimension. How about having it diverge? One loops back the other goes forward, no control there

A jump implies a third dimension.

That's tricky =/, does that apply for the color moving as well?

Alright then Strange, they are now circles that make current loop, many many circles, no jump, beat that

It doesn't matter, when an electrical pulse goes out, you just manually create a current at beginning of another line's starting point. --------* jump -> *----------

Although I'm not sure if you can create an actual computer with it because you'll have to swap bits

P.S. But still imagine connecting the entire nervous system to a single line and just loop the current at various points of a line

 

OK. If you don't really mean 2D but just very thin (like an integrated circuit) then yes. But in 2D the connections don't overlap they short-circuit.

How about spread it out so they do not overlap like a puzzle, as long as the color moves on top it resembles the flowing current

P.S. Hmm, that brings possibility to a 1D brain

I doubt it because you wouldn't be able to get the level of interconnectivity needed. We can only make very simple electronic circuits in 2D.

Imagine flattening your brain, you still have all the connections, they just overlap each other

Is it possible to create a brain in 2D based on circles and lines like a decision tree?