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One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, it depends on which end of the cutlery we're viewing it from. What Mandela did was: Demanded they listen. Convince them they're wrong. Forgave them for being wrong. And so allay their fear of revenge. Seems like something we can learn from. Of course there are extreme examples and of course they're abhorrent and of course the perp needs to be in a prison; no argument here... And in that protective custody, we have the chance to correct his/her obviously disturbed mental condition, it's only when we fail; that we can consider him/her incorrigible, and justifiably throw away the key. That doesn't mean they don't deserve forgiveness.

I am going to say +1 for your listening attitude here. This is so much better than many who come to lay out their pet cogitations. I see you are not fuly convinced about the number theory. Nor have you mentioned infinity again. That is possibly because there are some interesting twists that appear when you study number theory a bit more. Some of these would probably help you understand more about numbers and infinity. Do you wish to discuss this aspect some more ?

Studiot, thanks for the assessment. Yes, including or redifining i (i2=(-1)) is like an ad hoc hitchhiker, I don't think it makes sense. Need something other than "i". I also appreciate the number theory run up, I think you get what I was trying. Then from last, & from joigus, I agree, this is tangled up puree, as I can't now see any physical correlates with which this helps. I suppose the hope was the math would have physical correlates, but of course that should show itself. That said, just what Studiot also mentioned, is what I had in mind. To start it from "the wrong end". I don't take it as granted that that is wrong -- that I would say is the math conjecture here.

The line I often used with a couple of conservative mates, was "even if there is any doubt [and I believe in the eighties there was some] that if we were going to err, we should err on the side of caution. Those conservative mates of mine, are now nearly convinced thankfully, but is it too late? Australia's bush fires and black Summer last year, the Northern hemisphere "on fire" this year...will we, can we, ever convince nuts like the Australian right wing Senator in this clip... should Idiots like this Malcolm Roberts spewing such nonsensical crap be made responsible? Listen to this fool, only 8.5 minutes long...this is the type of ridiculious conspiracy nonsense that the general public hear and sows the seeds of doubt. Science needs to get the message out there in a more positive and convincing form...perhaps sadly having another black Summer in Australia maybe benificial?

I can remember when climatologists in the early eighties were pushing the notion that scientists must share only conservative projections with media and never appear alarmist. And that ethos held sway for a long time. Now I have to wonder if a little more alarm would have been such a bad idea.

So my post that is researched and has sources and logical arguments gets downvoted? What's up with that?

Yep. That’s it. You got me there.

Hmm. Did you happen to call them 'dumb aholes' in your post? Because that could certainly get someone to downvote you.

Again avoiding any discourse whatsoever and falling back to joke. Tactics used by insecure high-school teenagers LUL! So mature! EDIT: what are you scared of, if I Am wrong and you are right? HUH? It is almost like you are scared!

If you were a man you would pick any of my previous topics and go into a discourse with me. And engage with my arguments, you have to give counter-arguments and evidence to disprove my claims, so far you didn't disprove anything! Because you don't care about time obviously, trash-talking all the time and using logical fallacies, that you can do... Go debate me on Free Will, or boredom, or decision-making etc. You are posing all the time and avoiding all discussing LOL, if anyone neutral looks at this, it is like you are almost scared! Or maybe you are just arrogant/ignorant...

Ok prove it, I dare you, I Am waiting on a prove! LOL projection: how unimaginative! How so? BTW you saw 1 post of me and now you know me and you are are psychoanalyzing me - sure buddy! I have bigger problems than some projection... There is evidence these guys are doing it, I read many posts where they are completely missing a point repeatedly and acting pompous... Never engaging in direct argumentation!!! Did you even read anything of my post BTW? This guy called OP's post: shipost, yet he is responding to every post of sorts, how is that a projection? More like a factual information no? E.g. https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/92709-existential-boredom/#comments

Only on reddit? 😂 People decide always based on emotions at the end (except like instincts etc.) did you know that? And they use logic to justify their claims https://bigthink.com/experts-corner/decisions-are-emotional-not-logical-the-neuroscience-behind-decision-making Just first random peoples which viewed it downvoted, because they are dumb... On reddit: you get either massively upvoted, or downvoted usually... Sadly topic is less viewed if first burst are downvotes... Reddit is shithole for posting anything else than interesting news... Why you use this combative talking style and being sarcastic just because he doesn't have a rep? Never mind it was a rhetorical question... It is not very scientific claim something based on assumption... You have literally no idea what he said, so presumptuous as always! You need to first obtain that information, but you know that and instead you was sarcastic instantly... This is perfect example of elitism! Maybe you could try to engage with people arguments in good faith first, before doing this... I grant you that this is not most relevant/constructive post humankind had conceived, but! Maybe he is venting, maybe he wants a second hand opinion. What if both? It doesn't make this topic necessary uninteresting! And this is the lounge: I thought people can talk here about anything they want - with reasonable bounds ofc. Also on reddit if you ask this you get downvoted and no one will answer it... You only respond like this to low rep. people... BTW: why you even bother to comment on this, isn't that a irony? why are you automatically so sarcastic? Like are you insecure, or what? Do you have to prove something? It is not even me and I Am a very rational person (confirmed) can link you myriad of another studies and I engage with peoples arguments... because I was checking other complex topics (especially from Philosophy) note: even one of most brilliant scientists like Stephen Hawking and Bill Nye don't understand Philosophy: https://qz.com/627989/why-are-so-many-smart-people-such-idiots-about-philosophy/ and peoples' topics get totally misinterpreted and other people try to force their opinion on them etc. or not taking their side very seriously! Why can't you just engage with arguments and talk facts, you manage always to avoid talking about anything relevant and instead commit to logical fallacies... You can link sources with hundreds of citations doesn't matter, you just AD hominem or something... Pinnacle of scientific discourse... And this behavior is repeating in course of years from elitists on these forums, I see the same pattern all the time... Again you can engage with anything I said, but you are too scared I think!