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The trouble is, by deliberately choosing to remain ignorant, you are unable (a) to provide any support for your idea (or better still, trivially prom to yourself it doesn't work) and (b) to understand any explanations as to why you are wrong. You have cut yourself off from understanding. Again, this is just a symptom of your (wilful) ignorance. No one can help with that. You could (if you were interested) study the history of science to learn why these theories are accepted by science.But you won't of course. Did his unicorn survive?

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No.

Funny bit is that submitting a patent actually required quite a lot of paperwork to demonstrate why a certain approach is unique, in part by referencing, comparing and contrasting it with similar approaches (which were mostly published lit). I posit that you are not quite clear about what a "theory" is in a scientific context (or that yo are confused about what a speculation is).

Ecologically this is only relevant if those areas would be needed in a plant-based diet and if the ares used to produce feed or used for pasture are unable to sustain other crops. In fact, in many scenarios (including factory farming) materials such as grain, hay and silage are actually harvested from prime croplands. Looking at lit, you'll see that e.g. by shifting beef production exclusively to pastureland will sustain ~42% of current beef production. Using the prime crop land to produce vegetables instead would increase net calorie and protein amount by 2-20 times. From what I can see, it is not quite clear what the most efficient model is in terms of land-use, environmental impact, calorie and nutritional demand is. but a cursory glance at the literature suggests that a vegetarian diet (as opposed to vegan) seems to be able to reduce current land use and reduce emissions, while still allowing a balanced diet. While I doubt that there is a firm consensus on this matter, most data points to the fact that the current (and increasing) demand for meat is unlikely to be a sustainable model for the future. From an ecological viewpoint, a reduction from current meat consumption levels, especially of ruminants seems to have a strong impact, as well as the type of crops being grown (the latter more in terms of water use). It is somewhat clear that reducing meat consumption to the levels found in the USA to roughly half (about the level of Japan) is associated with better health outcomes and better carbon footprints. Specifically regarding veganism, most data point to the largest net reduction in carbon footprint, though the magnitude is disputed. There are efforts underway using meta-studies to score diets according to environmental impact as well as nutritional content. Some of the bullet points from these studies seem to be: - even with lower meat consumption, high diary intake can raise carbon footprints - diets with high nutritional scores that also have decent carbon footprints include Mediterrenean, Atlantic as well as vegetarian - diets with high intake of plant products especially legumes and low intake of animal products (including diary) tend to score well on both axes - within classes of food it is possible to replace high with low carbon footprint choices while maintaining nutritional values (e.g. pork vs ruminants) While the situation is clearly complex and requires studies from many different angles, it is safe to say that sustainability is going to be an important factor and barring massive changes in agricultural practices, at least in some countries diets may have to shift eventually.

But there is real data supporting the fact that people DO believe in the Bible and evolution. The Pope for example. The Bible does NOT contradict evolution unless you interpret the Bible to contradict evolution.

Indeed, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy; much like the myth of the frog sitting happily in the water that slowly increases in temperature until it cooks, let's we hop out like any normal frog would (we're smarter than frogs ). But that's no reason for veganism.

! Moderator Note That's not going to fly around here. Stick to discussing the science, such as it is. No, it's more like informal peer review. You never gave a precise enough description or prediction to generate a precise answer.

That is because the "usual answers" (the ones based on science) work. Uninformed guesswork does not usually. I have seen no personal attacks. If you think there are you should report them to the mods. They are pretty strict about that sort of thing. This shows your profound ignorance of how science works. No one accepts anything because these mythical "high priests" tell them to. It is because the evidence shows that the theories are correct. We don't say we know how electromagnetism works "because Faraday said so". Anyone who studies physics does these same experiments and confirms that the theory is correct. Some are so simple that you could do them at home. The same is true of quantum theory or relativity. It is NOT because "Einstein said" but because multiple experiments have been done to test (ie to attempt to disprove) the theory. "Greater" as measured by who? Interestingly, there are cases where particles are created accord to one observer that are not there for another (see Unruh radiation, for example). No there doesn't. That's a good point: Why post your theories on a science forum if you don't want critical feedback? After all, that is how science progresses, by people attempting to destroy theories.

Oh, please stop playing the victim card. Learn to accept that your hypotheticals throughout your threads here, including your illusion re a fallacy with Einstein's theory, are invalid. If you don't like being informed of that, then you are in the wrong place.

Catching my own fish and shooting my own deer has always been pretty environmentally friendly - certainly friendlier than stuff raised on factory farms. Any high moral ground depends on the preferred diet being voluntary. Once you push your preferred diet on others, you've become nothing more than a despot. If you can't cnnvince others in the free market of ideas, you don't deserve to have others follow your preferred diet.

Animal agriculture has also a big effect on Global Warming. I'm wondering if this "achieve an equitable global standard of living our diets " is ever possible.

What makes you think the future will lead to fewer extremes?

The point is neither side is entirely correct, some areas/cultures favour one over the other for good reason, for instance, reign deer are cultivated in areas where almost nothing but lichen grows, try a vegan diet in Siberia and see how it goes...

I'd hate to think how mortifying it would be to get an award from the same people who thought Mother Teresa deserved one...

Human kind has seen the need to explain our existence via supernatural means for as long as we can remember. We saw deities/gods in many inanimate objects such as the Sun, Moon, Mountains etc etc etc. Science though has shown that such unsupported mythical supernatural beliefs are not necessary, and that our universe, the stars, our Sun, the planets, and even life can readily be explained by more natural scientific means. Those scientific explanations hold at least up to t+10-43 seconds. From here some install a "god of the gaps" to explain the unknowns particularly with regards to the BB and universal/space/time evolution with regards to before that 10-43 seconds post BB rime frame. So yes, one can believe in a deity of sorts while still accepting what science has explained. Others though realizing the great successes and answers that science has already given us, prefer to keep pursuing the unknown for further evidence and answers.

Why not learn what physicists have learnt by experiment instead of making it up?

Depends on your religion and how seriously you take ancient holy books really. A large number of people seem to have no problem with it...

No. It is a practical concept in daily use. Like 'here'. Both have no meaning without any context. Both are called 'indexicals' in linguistics and philosophy. And, alas, there is nothing that corresponds with it in physics. The idea of 'universal here' does not make sense already in classical physics. The idea of a a 'universal now' would mean that all watches in the universe agree on the time, and have the same pace. Since special relativity we know this idea does not make sense either.

This overestimates the correct answer by one.

Imagination is what puts you on the shoulders of giants to see further but first you have to know what they knew.

Clever compartmentalization, but there is no time flow in realtime it is always now, so you are nullifying realtime by saying in the context of spacetime, same dumb argument every time. In the context of realtime, spacetime is not possible so you cant use it as though it has already been established. The realtime is when now exists, when now is relative, when a point is relative it is the only point that exists, it is stationary and fixed, it is here and now. This is what both relativity and our senses actually tell us, that now is relative and it is always here and now.

relativity No one said that. Compartment 1 What do you mean no one said that ? Do you and I exist at the same time, NOW? Spacetime SAYS THAT we do. Compartment 2 Relativity, which you keep asking me to provide the math and evidence for, says you and I DO NOT exist at the same time, that now is relative. Please check yourselves, somehow it must seem like you're not, but you're saying two different things.

of course Relativity is not wrong, it says now is relative which is the point- now at different times- means the spacetime model is wrong, it is just a time model. The different times now exists is a time model. Now where is your description of spacetime. geordief the time model apply s to both SR and QM without a single adjustment

I've been waiting for you to voice that "challenge", and thus I will post my commentary in its entirety ……. with supporting evidence that explains, proves and/or justifies my per se "claims", …… to wit: A View of How the Human Mind Works ……… last update 11-03-10 As seen through the eyes of: Samuel C Cogar, AB Biological & Physical Science, Logician, Thinker, Inventor and Computer Dinosaur Preface Now what I’m about to say will befuddle and confuse most of you, ……. and at first you won’t believe me …… because you may have never ever heard or read anything similar before now. Your conscious mind …… did not see …… what you are now reading on your PC monitor. Your optic nerves transmit two (2) channels of streaming video which they received via reflected/radiated light that entered the pupil of your eye, passed through the lens and struck the back of your eye. These inverted images are then transmitted to your subconscious mind which combines the two and with only the center portion of said image being in focus. If reading, only the word or portion of word that you are concentrating on is in focus. Everything else that you can detect in your “view”, …… on the monitor, off the monitor, up, down, left or right is “out of focus”. You know it is there ….. but you can’t see it plainly. Your conscious mind is permitted to “see” this image …… but it “sees” this image right-side-up. As you read each of the words in this sentence, as you are (hopefully) doing this very second, …… your subconscious mind is “telling you” everything you need to know about each word, selected from a “list” of everything that you previously learned about said word (its meaning, pronunciation, usage, etc,) and thus permitting you to easily Amazon read this paragraph. Now, did you notice that “interrupt” that confused your subconscious when it encountered the word “Amazon”. Now be honest, tell us what your subconscious “told you”. Didn’t it make you back-up and try figuring out what it was doing there in the middle of that sentence? If your ears pick up the sounds coming from another room in you house, ….. how do you consciously know it is your spouse talking rather than your dog barking? You can’t see what is generating the noise. How do you know it is even your spouse that is the person talking, you can’t see him/her? If you can’t “consciously” see …… what is causing the noise …… how do you know for sure, …. exactly, … absolutely, ….. positively …….the source of said noise? The answer is a simple one. Your subconscious mind has thousands of different “sounds” and what each one is ……. stored in your “memory”. And when your ear picks up a sound ….. your auditory nerve transmits that sound to your subconscious mind, which also tells your conscious mind, but it also attempt to match it to one of the “stored sounds” and if it finds a match …… it will inform your conscious mind what produced the sound. If your conscious mind is asleep when the sound is heard ……. your subconscious mind will make a determination of its importance ……. and will “wake up” your conscious mind if so warranted. A simple “Time to get up honey” will not arouse one from a deep sleep on a Saturday morning …… like the loud sound of “FIRE” will. Introduction The human mind is a mysterious thing which even we humans have not figured out exactly how it functions. It is not a physical thing but more like an electrical thing such as the “program code” that controls the operations and functions of a Personal Computer (PC). I will attempt to describe my View of How the Human Mind Works using terminology, components and functions that many people are now familiar with, …… the Personal Computer (PC). And one should remember when reading the following that it is general overview of “how things work” and/or “how things might probably work” and is intended to present a “different perspective” than what is generally believed. Given said, the human mind can be described as being similar to the Control Program (CP) and the Application Programs (APs) that functions within a PC. As can the human body be described as being similar to a PC System with equivalent Input/Output (I/O) channels. Humans have sensors and muscles, a PC has options and peripherals. Our eyes are like a video camera, our ears like a microphone, our vocal cords like a speaker, our muscles like the mechanics of a printer or factory robot, etc. And our information storage is like a PROM (Programmable Read Only Memory), a RAM (Random Access Memory) and a disk drive and we call them “memory” or “memories”. The words “mind” and “brain” are often times used interchangeably but in actuality the brain is a physical entity and the mind is the brain’s “program” that controls the different functions and operations of parts of the body. Humans have two (2) minds, a conscious mind and a subconscious mind. Now I said “parts” because the brain does not control everything. Our brain is only part of our Nervous System which also includes the brain stem, spinal cord and nerves. Our nerves are like electrical wires and cables that transfer information back and forth between all parts of the body and the spinal cord, brain stem and brain. Just like the wires and cables that connect the Processor Card of your PC ……. to the monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, printer, etc. The human brain is equivalent to ….. the processor chip(s) (Intel, AMD), the ROM memory, the RAM memory and the disk memory of a PC. A human’s subconscious mind is equivalent to a PC’s Operating System (VISTA - MS-DOS) and the conscious mind is equivalent to the Control Program (MS-Windows). In the Beginning – PCs and People PCs are born on a factory assembly line, ……. humans are born from their Mother’s womb. Both have the attributes that will permit them to “grow and survive”, both require a Control Program and Application Programs to function properly ……. and thus permitting them to “get started” on their journey through life. But now the big difference between the two is, …… the Control Program and the Application Programs for the PC is “loaded” or “installed” in one fell swoop before it leaves the factory floor and the PC has no control over what is being loaded into it. But not so for humans, they are born with a limited but primitive Control Program that is capable of modifying and expanding itself based on the data or information that it receives via the body’s sense organs. As the Control Program becomes more complex it creates/generates Application Programs for managing the sensed data and to control and manage the “action” of various muscles associated with seeing, arm movements, leg movements, talking, etc. Thus, a human’s Control and Application programs are “a work in progress” and are “loaded” or “installed” in bits n’ pieces, …… and this process is called “nurturing”, ……. and requires years and years to complete. In essence, humans construct, build and/or assemble their own “personalized” Control and Application Program that best suits their environment because their environment pretty much dictates the data that is used to generate said. Thus, the first few years of nurturing “sets the stage” for all future nurturing because said earlier nurturing created the Control and Application Programs that permits said nurturing. Thus, humans are ……. a biological self-programming super computer. They are what their environment nurtured them to be. Industrial Robots and Humans I am sure most everyone is familiar with "industrial robots" that are employed in manufacturing. These are mechanical devices that are controlled by a computer and are used to perform repetitive processes on an assembly line such as painting, drilling, packaging, etc. Now consider a really complex Industrial Robot that has "sensors, components and appendages" for ..... seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, generating sounds and controlling the movements of its appendages. For this Robot to function properly it must have a computer and a Control Program that can “read data” from its sensors ……. and issue “control commands” for the movement of its appendages. Said Control Program can only read the sensors and move the appendages …… but it doesn’t know what to do with the “sensed data” or how the appendages should be moved. Thus, an Application Program is required for doing a specific job. If the “job” is to paint an item, then a Painting Application Program is loaded and executed which tells the Control Program what to do with the “sensed data” and how to move the appendages to perform the work. If the “job” is to drill holes in an item, then a Drilling AP is loaded and executed by the CP. And that Robot “has no choice”, it must accept the new or revised “program” and do what it tells it to do. Robots are similar to humans, ……… because humans also have a Control Program and Application Programs for performing different tasks and jobs. They are similar to robots except when it comes to “downloading” (nurturing) their Operating Program. A human’s “computer” is their brain and it is programmed in bits n’ pieces and takes several years. And the human mind has the unique ability ....... after the first few years or so of being “programmed” ......... to accept or reject whatever it wants to. The human mind can MAKE A CHOICE. And of course, said choice of “accepting and/or rejecting” is controlled by …….. their previously nurtured program(s). Thus, …… you are what you are nurtured (self-programmed) to be. And only that person themselves ……. can make changes to their own “program”, ...... which is not easily done except when there is a dire need or reason to do so. For instance, consider a food type that you have an “extreme dislike for the taste of” …… and try to re-program your “mind” …… to “really love the taste of it”. Nurturing The nurturing (programming) of humans begin at birth or shortly thereafter. This nurturing process is accomplished via their sensory organs which are the eyes, the ears, the nose, the tongue and the skin. And this is a very slow process for the first year or so after they are born because a baby can see ……. but it doesn’t know what it is seeing. It can hear sounds …… but it doesn’t know what those sounds are. It can smell odors …….. but doesn’t know what those odors are. It can feel pain or when they are touched by something …… but they know not the cause of the pain or what touched them. Babies have vocal cords and dozens of other muscles that they have very limited control over because ……. they have not programmed themselves to control them. They do have an inherited program that permits them to cry when they are hungry, feel pain or when they sense their parent or guardian “is afraid”, …. shows fear. The early nurturing of a child is a slow “trial and error” process of repeat, repeat, repeat ….. because the child doesn’t know what it is learning. It is constantly receiving information from its senses and must learn to sort out what is important and store said in their memory. Not only that, but data links between all associated sensed information must be established and or revised. For instance, a child can sense the touch of its mother, sense her aroma, hear her voice and see a visual image of her. All this different data is stored in the child’s memory and regardless of the sequence or time this data is received and stored, ….. it will all be linked together to form a “composite picture” per say. And from then on, if the child again senses any one of the four (4) aforementioned, it will trigger a “recall” of said “composite picture” or parts there of. Another example of this action is: someone calls you on the telephone, you say “hello”, they say “hello”, you recognize the voice, …… and “bingo”, ….. all sorts of information about that person is “recalled” from one’s memory. Said "recall" is the transferring of recorded data from one's "permanent memory" to their "short-term memory", from their sub-conscious mind to their conscious mind. Thus, the human brain/mind consists of four (4) separate entities, which are: permanent memory, short-term memory", the subconscious mind and the conscious mind. The subconscious mind being the dominant and controlling part of the mind and the conscious mind being the subservient part that one uses for thinking, reasoning and decision making based on parameters, prerequisites and guidance that are determined by the “wiring” or programming of the subconscious mind. The obvious and primary proof that one has a subconscious mind is one's experience of "dreaming". The conscious realization of participating in a "bogus" live-action video being generated by one's subconscious mind. And the fact that all data from one's senses (eyes, ears, nose, etc.) is filtered through one's subconscious mind and the conscious mind is only made aware of the "results" of said filtering. And "the proof is in the pudding". When one is awake with their eyes open, their two eyes are transmitting two (2) channels of INVERTED "live action" video pictures via their optic nerves to their subconscious mind, which combines said two (2) channels into one (1) visual image or picture, edits it when necessary by adding or deleting data and then permits the conscious mind to "view" it ..... while at the same time interpretating what the object(s) is that is in focus and informing the conscious mind what it is. And at the same time interpretating any sounds being heard by one’s ears and informing the conscious mind what it was that created said sound(s). Concerning the afore said visual image, a curosity question is, does the subconscious re-invert the image or does the conscious mind actually see it inverted? In actuality it matters little given the fact that the subconscious mind tells the conscious mind the orientation of the visual image based on the balance mechanism located in the inner ear? Now the aforementioned “recall” of memory data can be initiated via at least three (3) methods: 1). One (1) of your (5) senses (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling) detects a stimuli and transfers it to your sub-conscious mind …… which it “checks out”, …. and if relevant, ….. “Posts it” to your conscious mind and/or to your muscle neurons. Your “eyes” see a friend …. and your “vocal cords” say “Hello”. You hear your child’s voice among a group of kids scream “DADDY” … and bout every muscle in your body will “react” before you get a chance to “think” about it. You hear a loud noise and you will “jump” before you even consciously know what caused said noise. Smell rotting flesh ….. and you will puke n’ gag before you can control it. The subconscious mind reacts to the sensed data before the conscious mind is informed about said sensed data. Recall of stored data is also effected when one is consciously trying to get their eyes to focus on an object or partial object that they do not recognize. In this case the subconscious will retrieve “similar data from memory” and attempt to “fill in” the missing part(s). Like when one is driving down the highway and sees in the far distance a couple little connected “bright orange” humpies barely protruding above a building or some trees. And “BINGO”, the big orange “M” of a McDonald’s restaurant appears in their conscious mind. And when one sees a shadow or a blurry object, maybe several different “thingys” will be recalled and they can then consciously pick one or “make a guess” as to what it is. Per say, “Well it looks like so-n-so.” 2). The 2nd method is when the conscious mind is “thinking” about something and “Posts” a request for “data” that is recorded somewhere in the brain. If the sub-conscious mind can locate said “data” ….. it will “post” a copy of it to the conscious mind. If it has trouble locating said, like when someone asks you ….. “What is that fellow’s name?” …… and you first have to reply …. “Just a minute, … I’ll think of it.” ……. and pretty soon , … BINGO, …. that name materializes in your “conscious mind” …….. and you then reply … “Charley, …. his name is Charley Brown.” And sometimes that response might take hours or days before it “pops up” in your conscious mind. The subconscious mind never sleeps. 3). Now this 3rd one is the “weird one” ….. which most people don’t understand, don’t know what causes it and …… don’t know how and/or are incapable of controlling it. This method is when the sub-conscious mind is a “thinking” about something ….. and “posts” info or data to the conscious mind ….. for SEEMINGLY no reason whatsoever. Meaning, your senses didn’t “sense” anything …… and your conscious mind didn’t request anything. Like when one hears the words to a “tune” that keeps popping up in their mind but they don’t know why. Per say, “those little voices that talk to people.” Now this 3rd form also occurs when one is awake, …. but most always only involves “thoughts”, … meaning no sights, sounds, smells or tastes. Feelings yes, because one often hears one say “I just got a feeling that ….. ”. Now most everyone experiences another form of this 3rd method quite often, but for the most part, …. treats it as a curious but normal thingy, ….. which they sometimes talk to others about …. but more often times they won’t. One form of this is called “dreaming” and if it is a truly scary dream it is called a “nightmare”. Dreaming and REM sleep Now “dreaming” occurs when one is sleeping and the Professionals refer to it as the REM phase of sleep (Rapid Eye Movement) because it is characterized by the darting of the eyes under the eyelids. Now one is only aware of their dreaming if their sleeping is disturbed during said REM phase. A noise, a smell, a pain or being touched can cause one to awake. It is the controlling subconscious mind that puts the conscious mind to sleep and it is the subconscious mind that wakes it back up whenever it receives a stimulus from one of the senses that the conscious mind needs to be made aware of. When this happens the conscious mind is also made aware of the content of the “dream” and thus one remembers it. But dreams are quickly forgotten unless one “talks or thinks about them” shortly after they wake up. Now there are 3 or 4 theories as to the cause of REM, and of course, I have my own. And it is my opinion that REM is caused by that same portion of the brain (subconscious mind) that directs eye movement and focus when one is awake. The conscious mind does not control eye movement and focus. It posts a “request” to the sub-conscious mind by “focusing” on the mental image and the subconscious signals the eye muscles to constrict or relax thus causing the eye to move in its socket and the lens to change the focal length so as to correctly view the actual visual image. But this conscious action that directs eye movement is relatively slow and which I will call SEM (Slow Eye Movement) because if one moves their eyes too quickly or moves their head too quickly their visual picture becomes a blur, is distorted and out of focus. And the reason this occurs is that the lenses of the eyes do not have time to refocus before they transmit another image and the fact that said two (2) visual images takes time to transmit through the optic nerves and are changing too quickly for the subconscious mind to combine the two and/or to compose a new single mental image for the conscious mind to view. And this same action occurs when one is “dreaming”, ….. when their sub-conscious mind is retrieving bits n’ pieces n’ parts of pre-recorded data from memory ….. and mixing, matching, manipulating, making up and composing “live action video” pictures of false visual data and “posts” it to one’s conscious mind’s memory area, …. the same at it does when receiving the two (2) channels of “live action video” from one’s Optic nerves via their eyes …….. and one’s eyes are being directed (REM) to move as if they were focusing on the “dream picture”. But dream sequences occur very quickly, like at “warp speed” or “fast forward”, meaning they are compressed into a very short time frame relative to one’s equivalent conscious actions. In that said images are recalled from memory no reformatting or composing is required. Said difference being comparable to “uploading” and displaying a photo via E-mail verses retrieving and displaying a photo stored on one’s PC’s hard drive. And if said dreams are occurring “rapidly” and the eyes are being given false “motion” commands to focus on the primary subject in one’s dream then that explains the Rapid Eye Movement (REM) when one is dreaming. And said false “live action video” dreams also includes “sounds” and ”feelings” to accompany said action. But now I do not ever remember experiencing or being told about “smells” being included in one’s dreams. Everyone dreams, but not everyone remembers dreaming. And those that do remember dreaming only remembers a portion of their dream(s) and usually only for a short time. And one can see “plain as day” and hear “clear as a bell” everything that is happening in their dreams. And one sometimes listens to people talking, and sometimes talk to others, in their dreams. So the question is, …… how is it possible for one to be “seeing” and “hearing” what is happening in their dreams …….. if one is sound asleep in a dark room with their eyes closed and there is no one around for them to be talking to or to be talking so that one can hear them? The obvious answer to all those questions is quite simple, ….. and that answer is: one’s conscious mind can only see, ….. hear, ….. smell, …. taste …. and/or feel ….. what one’s subconscious mind permits it to see, ….. hear, ….. smell, …. taste …. and/or feel. One’s conscious mind does not “see” what their eyes see (or hears what their ears hear, etc.). One’s eye(s) transmit “streaming video” via their optic nerves directly to their subconscious mind which it then combines the two (2) video streams via editing, adjusting, inverting, converting, associating, etc. …… and then permits their conscious mind to “see” (or hear, or smell, etc.) the results. And that is exactly what happens when one’s conscious mind experiences a “dream” ….. except that one’s subconscious mind is generating/composing/creating their “dream” from bits n’ pieces n’ parts of their stored memories. I mean like that dream that included that terrific looking person that one seen at the mall last week but with her/him walking around in their own living room or where ever. All dream are in effect “out of body experiences”. Thus, if one has stored memories of a snake, ….. unexplained flying objects ….. or "spiritual entities", ……… their subconscious can at anytime it so desires, …. pick one of those out and insert it in “the picture” that it creates for their conscious mind to “see”. And those “thingys” can move around in that “picture” just like long gone old friends, good looking strangers or whatever …. moves around in “one’s dreams”. Hallucinations Dreams share many qualities with hallucinations. Dreams are the hallucinations we all experience. Thus, hallucinations are the same as dreaming except they only occur when one is conscious or awake and only involve a portion of what one is consciously seeing. The fact is, dreams and hallucinations are the exact same things except that dreams are composed solely of stored memory data whereas hallucinations are composed of actual visual data and one or more objects retrieved from stored memory data and thus the big difference between the two is how one consciously interprets them. If one wakes up realizing they had been having a dream (their subconscious mind permitted them access to “view” the dream it was composing), then no problem, dreaming is a natural “thingy” that one does when asleep. But if one is awake and viewing actual visual data and their subconscious mind inserts an object from stored memory into that visual data it is presenting for the conscious mind to “view” we call that an hallucination. And that inserted object(s) could be a “moving” object or a stationary object. A “ghost” of someone, per say, that is walking around in plain view, but only in plain view of the person experiencing the hallucination. When this happens it usually scares the bejesus out of said person and/or they will claim they seen a vision, a miracle or whatever. Thus, the difference between a dream and an hallucination is: an hallucination occurs when one’s conscious mind is “awake” and the subconscious mind screws up for whatever reason by inserting "bogus" data from stored memory into the actual visual image. Thus, the awake conscious mind thinks said bogus image is actually what their eyes are seeing and the person can not be convinced otherwise. People with really strong religious beliefs or people who are easily frightened are noted for seeing “things” that aren't really there. If the subconscious mind can insert “characters” in the “live action” video it creates for one’s dreams, it can sure enough insert a “character” or object into the incoming visual data from one’s eyes. And the simple explanation as to how one can “see” their dreams/hallucinations is the fact that one can not consciously “see” anything directly, even the two channels of streaming video being transmitted via their eyes and optic nerves. Said video is transmitted to the subconscious mind which combines them, massages them, edits them, stabilizes them, adds things, inverts them and then permits the conscious mind to “see” the results. Our subconscious mind is ..... one powerful "realtime" video editor. Actually, my thinking is that the subconscious mind has several biological “virtual processors”, all operating concurrently for processing the sense organ data, conscious data, subconscious data, vocal data, stored memory data, etc. Just think of all the data that has to be “processed” and the muscles that have to be controlled if one was reading “out loud” the words written in this commentary. One consciously “sees” what ever their subconscious mind permits them to “see”, nothing more, nothing less. Religious and other beliefs Most Religious (capital R) beliefs are nurtured in one at a very early age and are no different than nurturing one to understand and speak the native language of their parents. Thus, a nurtured Religion is not actually a “belief”, ….. it is a “programmed reaction” resulting from an external stimuli that one’s conscious mind really has no control over. One’s conscious mind has no more control over said “belief” than it has control over what their ears hear another person saying or their eyes sees that is printed on the pages of a book. If said person speaking is speaking one’s native language or the book one is reading is printed in one’s native language, ….. then no problem, one’s conscious mind comprehends what is being said or being read because their subconscious mind interprets said and tells their conscious mind what it was. For the most part one’s conscious mind doesn’t even have to consider said “interpretation or translation” because it just “appears” in their conscious mind automatically via a subconscious function. But if either is in a foreign language then “sorry about that”, their subconscious mind has not been “programmed” to do said interpretation or translation. And one’s conscious mind can’t do anything to change said unless it first decides to “make a change” and then effect a long, drawn out process (we call learning) of re-programming their subconscious mind to interpret/translate that second language. And so goes ones Religious belief if their subconscious has never been “programmed” to consider a different Religious belief or any belief that is contrary to said Religious belief they were first nurtured to believe. On the contrary, their subconscious mind has most probably been “programmed” to have a per say “closed mind” to any “belief” other than what they were nurtured with. And there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that except that person them self. And if he/she doesn’t want to go through the “learning” process to re-program their subconscious mind, “then sorry about that also”. Everything a person learns today is highly dependent upon what they learned yesterday, and all the yesterdays back until the day they were first born. You are what you were nurtured to be by your environment. (Except for the parental attributes one inherits via the DNA of the egg and sperm) Cheers

"DUH", …… you won't see much of anything just by "looking" at what was posted, …… like your Mommy should have told you, ……. ya gotta read the written verbiage and comprehend what it states. Even a "speed reader" can't read 8 pages of typed info in less than 3 minutes, and comprehend very d--- much of anything that they (supposedly) read.

"Why not learn what physicists have learnt by experiment instead of making it up?" Yes, but I really want to leapfrog over having to learn all this stuff. My only interest in it and my challenge is to figure out how UFOs fly. Let am convinced now from examining every account I've gotten hold of is that they use some sort of microwave. About 6mo ago the English police started deploying a 700 lb device that will stop the ignition of a fugitive's vehicle. It's said to use a frequency of between 1.5 Ghz and 3 Ghz. There must be 100 accounts of car ignition failures when UFOs become near. They dug up some grass where a UFO had landed and the roots were burnt. This indicates to me the ground had been exposed to electro-magnetic induction. My favorite accoint involved a young police officer in Nebraska from the 1950s who said he was abducted. He said they told him they used "reversable electro-magnetism". He was 'whooshed' up into the craft and said there was acircle of 55 gal drum-like objects with cables resembling battery cables attached to them. He drew them as being attached in parallel. When considering a small # of atoms at the center of the Earth we would observe the + charges pretty much in the center with the - more towards the outside. this in turn would cause the surrounding atoms to them to be slightly - to the outer edge of them. This in turn would push the next layer and so on. How could this not be so? Actually, in any ring of atoms the electrons on the inner surface would be more dense and would have to move towards the outer surface to equalize forces. I did some rudimentary calculations once, but concluded there is really no way I could tell what's going on. Sorry for the lack of editing. I was afraid my internet connection would be lost.

You really don't have a clue as to how you should respond to my posted commentary, do you Phi for All? So you just opted to post a couple sentences of hurriedly thunked up "tripe n' piffle" in desperate hopes that anyone that reads it will assume that you are knowledgeable on the subject. Just what is that "pattern" thingy you claim I found "in computers"? And just where "in computers" do you reckon it was hidden? And by the way, does your PC have one of those "pattern" thingys hidden in it? And how do you suppose, … propose, … that one would go about …. "forcing it to fit onto the human mind"? You should tell all of those Degreed "psychobabblers" about that "forcing" something onto the human mind because that is shur nuff something they can make great use of. Maybe a "surefire" remedy for curing "depression". Shur nuff, swansont, and iffen Einstein had published his Theory of Relativity hereon this forum ……. I have no doubt whatsoever that you would have banished it to the Trash bin and informed him that, to wit: "I see no citations or links to peer-reviewed work (or other credible information) that would back any of it up, thus there is no supporting evidence to justify your claims." Cheers

REALTIME Spacetime says every point is a different point at the same time. Realtime says every point is ITSELF at different times. According to relativity now is relative, there can’t be two nows at the same time so relativity is saying now is ITSELF at different times. Quantum mechanics says things that exist now are both particle like and wave like. At any one moment now is ALL that exists and particle like, but over any measured time it is ALL the points being measured.

I never got a precise answer pointing out my error in thinking.I learned nothing more than I have always heard. We humans always want to think of being able to wrap the universe up into a nice neat package. It's always been my thinking a lot of this modern physics is really speculation and a fantasy. I believe what I said above about UFOs is fascinating. I have just about run out of ideas though and they won't sell microwave range frequency transmitters to the public over 1.5W. Clearly this is a shot in the dark with very low probability. Oh yes, I forgot to add an account of a man walking up and toucbing a UFO and having radiation like burns in a checkerboard pattern on his chest the next day.

Cognitive dissonance isn't limited to just the "religious." I'd suspect many women that have had abortions struggled with this. Probably not as much as atheists tho. It must be very difficult to explain away those spontaneous thoughts of the supernatural - Thoughts that many scientists today consider to be an evolutionary benefit. Let's face it, if various religions weren't so saturated with complete assholes, there wouldn't be this stigma within the the scientific community against exploring "religion." We'd all be doing it in one form or another. . .to deny it is to deny what it means to be human. You actually have a constructive debate, rather than whatever it is you're doing. . . Well, aren't you? Well, that's a given. . . You're obviously new to this, aren't you? Because it's fucking fun, and this country is so great that we have nothing better to do. . .

How's come this topic, ….. "Selfish Gene Theory", ……. was never moved to the Speculation forum or to the Trash bin? A curious mind would like to know. Or should I refrain from asking such questions because said is not PC?

"DUH", iffen it was not the "personal theory" of the aforesaid ……. "well-known (and generally respected) scientist", ……. the please tell me whose "personal theory" it is and why it wasn't consider "junk science" and moved to the Trash bin. Selfish genes, gay genes, lgbt genes, etc., ……. iffen ya got a problem, an affliction, a nurtured habit, etc. …… then blame either your inherited or mutated genes, and everything you do will be acceptable and forgiven.

Really now, Phi for All, you actually believe that, do you? Then why don't you tell me about the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change and the preponderance of all the actual, factual evidence that supports it. I've been anxiously waiting for the past 20+ years for said evidence, ….. so surprise me. Google is your "translating" friend.

Really? Oh my goodness. You sound like an alcoholic or someone who wants nothing but to tear others down. This shows u have inadequatecy feeling about yourself. I am already Quite proud of things I have done. I don't think I've done anything noteworthy in physics though. Math maybe; that's my field.

Whoa there, Phi for All, stop the presses. You have been criticizing me for claiming that the functioning of the human mind consists of two (2) distinct and separate entities, …… the subservient (choice-making) “conscious mind” and the (inherited/environmentally-nurtured) controlling “subconscious mind” ……. but that is pretty much exactly what you are inferring, implying and/or claiming via your above quoted comment. Phi for All, in your above comment pertaining to your personal thoughts and/or emotions, ….. you specifically denoted two (2) distinct and separate entities, ….. (1) the conscious “I”, as in “I hold no delusions” and the conscious “my”, as in “my mind works”, ….. and (2) the subconscious “It’s”, as in “It's subject to”, Phi, …. If you say “I”, ”my”, ”me”, ‘1st person’ is the intended subject, whereas if you say “it”, ”it’s”, ”he”, ”she”, etc., 2nd person’ is the intended subject. Phi for All, answer me this question, …. can you (1st person) consciously “trigger” a per se “outburst” of your emotional bias(es) and/or your corruption(s), …… or do you (1st person) require an environmental stimulus via one of your sense organs to per se “trigger” the aforesaid “outburst”? Don’t be talking silly, Phi, …… since I am talking actual, factual science, it can’t be better than science. “DUH”, the only fault that you guys have accused me of is my failure to cite/list a pre-approved published reference and/or published peer-approvals for my “original thinking” hypothesis. It’s a great thing that you guys are not in charge of the US Patient Office, because iffen you were there would never be another Patent issued to anyone ….. because no one could provide ya’ll with cited references and peer approvals for their “original thinking”. Shur nuff, …….. clearly mainstream , ……….. but absolutely, positively also pure "speculation".