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iNow's Profile User Rating: ***--

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  1. In Topic: People who believe in god are broken

    Today, 05:17 PM

    Are they using broken reasoning? Yes, I think we've established that.
    Are they using broken logic? Yes, I think we've established the flaws in their unfounded premises.
    Are they breaking the consistency with which they approach the world? Yes, they are applying double standards and being hypocritical.

    Am I claiming that people who do not believe in god are not broken? No.
    Am I claiming that believers are broken entirely... everywhere... and in everything they do? No, and nobody else has claimed that, either.

    However, in this context, it's really not a big stretch nor is it an "incredible jump in logic" to summarize the position as "people who believe in god are broken," especially since we've allowed the term broken to mean different things to different readers.

    I could have asked, "Is there any good reason to accept the god conjecture as true," but then we'd still be unclear about what god meant, and have to concede that "good" is subjective.

    I could have asked, "Is there any adequate evidence to accept the extraordinary claim that god(s) exists as true," but then we'd have gotten into the subjective discussion of what is adequate to one versus another.

    I could have asked, "Are believers displaying double standards, accepting the extraordinary claim of god(s) as true when they would not accept other claims as true based on the same logic or evidence," but that would have been boring.

    You can disagree, and you can think that "people who believe in god" are not broken. That's cool, but I'd like you to explain why. The point is that this is a discussion forum, and this has IMO been an engaging and interesting discussion, and impressively cordial and civil given the topic.

  2. In Topic: People who believe in god are broken

    Today, 04:52 PM

    I'm not sure the scale of our knowledge surrounding reality is really relevant here. Isn't the central issue about what we positively assert as "known" versus what we hypothesize and conjecture to be possible or interesting?

  3. In Topic: Pros and cons of having pre-marital sex?

    Today, 04:29 PM

    Ding!!

  4. In Topic: I believe in Jesus, but not in God.

    Today, 04:12 PM

    You have a "belief" that the sun will rise tomorrow... Maybe even a "hope" that the sun will rise. You have a "hope" that you are strong enough to win the competition or beat your competitor, or a "belief" that you are better than an opponent. These are not faith, though. Faith is to claim you know something that you do not know.

    You don't have "faith" in your piano teacher. You have "confidence" in them, or "hope" that they will do well. You do not accept the idea that they exist based on no evidence alone. You, like others, are merely putting forth conflations that obfuscate the issue. We're quite obviously talking about one form of faith... and that is the form where people claim to know something they do not know.

  5. In Topic: Morals

    Today, 03:53 PM

    Define god then, in a clear, unambiguous, falsifiable, agreed upon way. The problem, Athena, is there are countless "definitions" of god, and most research shows how every individuals concept of god is based on their own wishes and desires.

    It's obvious that you're a talking about a deistic version of god... or some blather where "god equals the cosmos" or some similar. That doesn't exactly help your cause. Even when we move past the abrahamic conceptions of deity, it still remains little more than an ambiguously defined three letter word.

    If you want people to understand you better, Athena, you need to express your points more precisely and with fewer assumptions or baseless premises.

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    Moontanman 

    06 Apr 2012 - 10:20
    Yup, I could do that, it would be a pain but nothing more than logistical problems, growing coral on the outside of a shot glass would be much easier
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    iNow 

    03 Apr 2012 - 23:52
    You can if it's a lunar eclipse...
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    ydoaPs 

    03 Apr 2012 - 23:14
    It actually is a trick question. You can't have an eclipse during a full moon.
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    Appolinaria 

    29 Feb 2012 - 05:47
    iNow, glad you're back. Was a little quiet 'round here.
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    Moontanman 

    27 Jan 2012 - 23:33
    Wow!I have been nasty today, channeling AronRa, lol
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    superball 

    20 Nov 2011 - 23:01
    I offered a trues, evolution first, then we can chat.cheers.
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    DJBruce 

    11 Jul 2011 - 21:41
    Saw you posting again, nice to have you back!
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    mississippichem 

    25 Jun 2011 - 14:14
    Glad to see you posting again, been a while. What's up?
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    Peron 

    28 Mar 2011 - 16:12
    if i guess your gender do i get a prize?
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    cabinintheforest 

    04 Nov 2010 - 03:43
    u are gay
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    tar 

    07 Jan 2010 - 04:16
    iNow, Sorry. I was very surprised to see the thread closed as I visited tonight. I feel responsible, but don't know how to reverse the closure. Seems the captain does not quite understand what you were saying. And if it makes any difference to you, I think you did a good job keeping the emotions and the God arguments out of the inquiry. And I appreciated and learned from every post and link. Nice job. I sincerely apologize for my contribution to the closure. Regards, TAR
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    zule 

    24 Dec 2009 - 20:35
    Thank you :-). Well, I only can contribute a little and almost only about one subject. It is you who amazes me, you seem to know about everything.
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    Baby Astronaut 

    15 Dec 2009 - 04:42
    Hey thanks, a Reason's Greetings to you too iNow :D
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    A Tripolation 

    09 Dec 2009 - 01:31
    Thank you.
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    Pangloss 

    22 Nov 2009 - 08:53
    Wave wave!
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