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Athena, on 26 May 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

You're using a definition of "god" and "church" that no one else does, and then insisting that the atheists here are arguing that this "church" is the only authority on morals?! Every single atheist here has always claimed that religion/god/church is N-O-T necessary AT ALL to have an ethical, moral foundation in life. You have COMPLETELY misunderstood this point.

zapatos, on 25 May 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Oh, I think it's been far more than mere inertia. I think there have been very active efforts at pushing this rolling boulder down the hill, efforts that make darn sure it hits all the most lucrative spots.

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This is part of what bothers me most, and why I label it fear. Why haven't we been crying out, ever since we found out that Hussein had no nukes and the whole Iraq vampire war was draining us dry? Why continue such a costly campaign when it's been proven to actually create more terrorists?

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I think "soft on terror' would be easier to sell to the public in these times than you think, especially when "hard-on for terror" seems to swell the enemy ranks. Although, with the world economic crisis, we may have missed our window for negotiating with the countries where terrorists train to diplomatically castrate their effectiveness.

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I think the right leader could explain to the public that the strategies we've been using are obviously ineffective and are only making matters worse. But I think the leadership we have (including all of those waiting to take over) are more motivated to keep the economic and political opportunities the War on Terror represent to ever want to do something truly effective to stop it. And the public has been so brainwashed into thinking we need a cannon to kill fleas that any attempt to use our brains instead of our brawn is seen as a sign of weakness.

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But the wall in place is costing us a ton of money to maintain. It's effective in keeping the dog out, but this dog is now indirectly taking food off our family's plates, it's hurting our kid's education to keep maintaining the wall that keeps it out. The War on Terror is helping to do what the wealthiest have wanted all along, to cut public budgets, divert tax revenues to themselves and their businesses and get rid of social spending that they see no benefits from.

charles brough, on 26 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Because we're being exploited. Stressed people make stupid, expensive mistakes in the name of relieving that stress.

By "misses out certain letters", do you mean you type them but they don't show up?

Athena, on 25 May 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

*choke* Where on EARTH did you EVER get the idea that atheists argue "that the church is in fact the only authority on God and morals"?!

Athena, on 25 May 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

If a moral is a matter of language, and animals have moral judgement, does that mean animals have language?

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Let's say I observe someone displaying ethical behavior, like a warrior sparing the life of an opponent who has yielded in combat. The whole thing can take place with no words at all, and equally I can learn a moral lesson from the encounter without using language.

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You were asked twice before to provide evidence for your assertion that Law = God, which you chose to ignore both times. Let's just start with that one. I think you're wrong because most laws we have today have absolutely NOTHING to do with God.

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My problem with the word "God" is your decision to define it for everybody using assertive language which implies you're stating a fact. Particularly with the word "God", there ARE no assertions that can be applied to everyone.