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In Topic: Definition of "Classical Mechanics"
19 May 2012 - 09:14 AM
pmb, on 18 May 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:Note: I will say one last thing before I sign off this thread. When I started this thread it to get an idea of how many people use/interpret the term Classical Mechanics to include relativistic mechanics as Goldstein uses/defines it.
I would say that just about every theoretical and mathematical physicists would. -
In Topic: Definition of "Classical Mechanics"
18 May 2012 - 08:23 AM
juanrga, on 18 May 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:Yes. Precisely the classical limit of a quantum theory is the limit when
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But one should take care to note that not all quantum theories have unique classical limits. It is possible for a quantum theory to arise from the quantisation of two or more distinct classical actions. -
In Topic: Definition of "Classical Mechanics"
18 May 2012 - 07:25 AM
pmb, on 17 May 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:Classical Mechanics is a system which is based on Newton's laws. If the Galilean transformation is employed to transformed between inertial frames then we have what I refer to as Classical Newtonian Mechanics (for lack of another term) and when we use Lorentz transformations we have SR. When we add to this like equivalence principle etc the we have GR.
Okay, so what are the corresponding transformations for non-relativistic quantum mechanics?
Well for the free Schrödinger equation we have the Schrödinger group. This group is the Galilean group with a central extension.
The Lorentz transformations play a very important role in quantum field theory on Minkowski space-time, so I cannot see that we can necessarily separate classical and quantum here.
pmb, on 17 May 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:ajb - What does this hand waving thing you mentioned have to do with anything? Take a look at Goldstein et al's text and notice how everything they've derived is rooted on Newton's three laws which have a very small explicit mathematical content it them. Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics can be deduced from those laws as can the rest of classical mechanics.
It is more the other way round and one can certainly write down mechanical systems that do not obey Newton's laws.
In essence, by picking just about the simplest Hamiltonian or Lagrangian for a point particle (these will be non-degenerate and so equivalent) you can "re-derive" Newtonian mechanics. However, the formalism works much more generally than that. -
In Topic: Definition of "Classical Mechanics"
17 May 2012 - 10:23 PM
pmb, on 17 May 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:It's just so much easier to say that Classical Mechanics is physcs which is outside of quantum mchanics?
Okay, that we can agree on, but...
pmb, on 17 May 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:Did you interpret "precise" to mean that I was asking about something more complicted than
I interpreted the question as looking for a fairly robust definition of classical and quantum. To my mind, the best distinction is the commutative verses the noncommutative world.
pmb, on 17 May 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:Perhaps I didn't state the question so as I'd get the type of response I was looking for. I was looking for a non-mathematical definition of "classical mechanics".
This is going to be difficult as classical mechanics is really a mathematical construct in which to model phenomena. Very hand waving, classical mechanics works well for anything that is not too small, i.e. quantum effects are negligible. -
In Topic: Definition of "Classical Mechanics"
17 May 2012 - 09:23 PM
mississippichem, on 17 May 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:So you are saying that there are other non-classical frameworks in physics where planck's constant (or reduced plancks constant) is not seen in the important commutators?
In the context of quantising spaces themselves, say via a deformation or quantising the coordinate ring (a la Manin) you usually want a parameter that plays the role of Planck's constant, though the units may be different.
I am thinking that in the path integral formulation it is probably not immediate that Planck's constant measures the noncommutativity of something. Here it is the parameter that controls the contribution of the paths to the amplitude. The configuration space of all paths is a classical space, so noncommutativity here is harder to see.
pmb, on 17 May 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:I wish I knew what you were talking about.
You're describing this in some way that I don' recognize. It seems that what you wrote could also be interpreted as quantum mechanics. Can you restate it so that it makes moe sense to me? I.e. please dumb it down for me.
In classical physics any two observables (fundamentally functions of position and momentum) commute. That is
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(Just think about multiplication of real numbers)
In quantum theory any two observables will in general not commute. To distinguish the quantum position and momentum I will put a hat on them. In particular we have
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which is really the root of all quantum mechanics. Non-relativistic quantum mechanics is then all about the representation theory of the above.
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