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What can I dissolve Alkaline Earth Aluminate in and how?


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Is that just a theory? If not, what can I use to make a liquid such as water or isopropyl alcohol "glow in the dark"(output light with no input)?
Preferably something I could get locally or through ebay/amazon.

Anyone know?

Thanks

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lol As in personal theory or widely known/accepted theory hahh

That's cool shit but not what I'm looking for.

I have a Fluorescein/Isopropyl Alcohol solution and I'm looking to make it glow in the dark.

The Alkaline Earth Aluminate does not dissolve so I need to solute it before I combine it with the Fluorescein/Isopropyl Alcohol solution.

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lol As in personal theory or widely known/accepted theory hahh

That's cool shit but not what I'm looking for.

I have a Fluorescein/Isopropyl Alcohol solution and I'm looking to make it glow in the dark.

The Alkaline Earth Aluminate does not dissolve so I need to solute it before I combine it with the Fluorescein/Isopropyl Alcohol solution.

You have any idea of chemistry? Your aluminate would be neutralized by alcohol.
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"The Alkaline Earth Aluminate does not dissolve so I need to solute it"

No you don't, because, if you dissolve it the solution won't work.

 

 

Exactly what are you hoping to achieve?

Fluoreseinesolution will glow nicely if you shine UV light on it.

 

Nothing will glow unless it is supplied with energy from somewhere.

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An "idea" of chemistry I do have, yes.

Alkaline Earth Aluminate is new to me which is why I'm inquiring about it on here.

Earlier today I started thinking this powder would not suit my needs which is why I'm trying to confirm that notion and substitute the "glow in the dark" element I need if that's the case.

This neutralization..is that permanent? I can evaporate the alcohol out although I would be left with water + fluorescein.

If that indeed is the case, being left with water + fluorescein, does anyone know a way to solute Alkaline Earth Aluminate in a way that it could be combined with my then left over solution?

 

And yes I have Blue CFL lights(not to mention Blue .5w LEDs) with the necessary nanometer range to make the fluorescein glow; additionally, I have UV fluorescent lights and UV LEDs.

Lighting is not my issue here.

Thanks

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I hesitate to offer advice here. John Cuthber et al have said most of the science and it has not been well received.

 

I am not sure if you have any of the powder you refer to, but if you are prepared to experiment there may be a way.

 

You do not need a solution for this you need a disperse system (sometimes wrongly called a colloid) with your powder as the disperse phase and something transparent to the input and output wavelengths as the disperse medium.

 

Note that most substances that retain energy for later release as light take in energy at one wavelength and release it at another.

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No no, don't get me wrong; advice is well welcomed. That is the purposed of my thread.

Things have gotten off topic and become misconstrued which is what you must be referring to.

 

This science is new to me which is why I'm inquiring about it, finding nothing relevant online.

 

A disperse system is out of my means..What I'm looking to accomplish is a fluid that will glow with the proper light range which I can provide, and will output with no input thereafter.

What I'm working with is Alkaline Earth Aluminate separately, and an Alkaline Earth Aluminate fluorescein/isopropyl alcohol solution; as well as a vessel to house my final formula and intake the supplied light sources.

 

Note: I have the means to provide any wavelength required, some in concentration, so that is not the issue I'm having.

What I want to achieve is a fluid that will glow around the 400nm range(So far, fluorescein is most viable) and store energy at whatever range(Since I have the means to provide any nm range).

 

Let me make this clear, further relevant advice will continue to be appreciated.

THANK YOU

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That's right, I don't understand how I could effectively apply a disperse system to my container which is basically a bottle with approx a 1" opening but my objective is to have this unattainable fluid in my container, sealed, sustained only by the light I provide. Unless I made it look tacky lol I'm trying to make it look as elegant as possible, ie minimizing cords/wires that affect appearance.

Therefore, setting up any additional system doesn't sound plausible for my needs unless it's as simple as you make it seem.

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unattainable fluid

 

Did I say fluid?

 

Anybody baking bread is making a disperse system as is anybody lighting a fire (to generate smoke).

 

A disperse system is simply one material in one phase (usually finely divided) distributed randomly but more or less evenly throughout material of another. The phases can be any so for normal temperatures you could disperse your powder in a solid, liquid or gas. Of course you would need a container if you chose either of the last two.

 

I have a spirit level, made of a clear plastic block, which contains flourescein in the vial.

I would imagine that you could disperse your powder, ground to a suitable fineness, in a (fast setting) clear resin to form such a block.

There are many trinkets available in souvenir shops based on this principle. Some of them incorporate flourescent grains.

 

I did ask if you were prepared to experiment a bit.

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You mentioned there would be a way, if I experimented, but that was not a question; possibly a rhetorical question but definitely not a direct question.

I assumed it was known that I will experiment with any ideas, since I've experimented this far, but yes I experimented with this thread and I will experiment to the end.

 

As I understand the definition of "disperse system" I see baking bread as a 1 time reaction since the yeast reaction reacts for a limited time and wears out becoming useless.

I'm not looking for a one time thing or something with upkeep; just a fluid that greatly outputs the light input(Like the fluorescein I have) and even stores some input to output after the input is cut off(Alkaline Earth Aluminate/Phosphor/etc).

 

I'm not following that "spirit level" you describe since I'm focusing on a low viscosity fluid with similar properties.

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On the contrary, there's got to be nothing that simply sits there glowing.

If it did, we could get a big bucket of it + surround it with solar cells to solve the world's energy problems.

 

So you need to supply energy to the system to keep it glowing.

 

with a solution of fluorescein, the easy way is to shine UV light on it.

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There are various things that glow in the dark, I'm not saying I'm looking for something that will glow indefinitely -.- Free energy lol

 

So far what I've found available is that Alkaline Earth Aluminate but Phosphor also glows in the dark after it's energized, I just don't know where to find it raw..

 

I have fluorescein and lights in the ranges of 385nm and 410nm.

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You may not realise it, but you are asking a lot.

There are essentially two ways to get something to glow in the dark.

Something that you continuously provide with energy or something which stores energy.

The aluminate phosphors store energy. You shine a light on them and the electrons in them get knocked into a higher orbit

As they fall down, they give out light

(crass oversimplification- but it makes the point)

 

The alternative is something like the two recipes I already gave you. With fluorescein, you add energy continuously as UV light and get some of it back as visible light.

With the luminol reaction you add the energy as a chemical- the reaction provides the energy.

 

For some reason you seem to ignore the second sort of glowers, but there's a big problem with the first type if you want them in solution.

You can make calcium aluminate glow for quite a long time because the electrons take a while to fall from the excited state.

They are trapped in the very rigid crystal structure.

However, if you dissolve them in water that water can bump into those excited electrons and rob them of their energy.

So, that's why what you are asking for is practically impossible.

 

The real question is why didn't you believe me the first time?

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It's not that I didn't believe you, it's that I don't have many resources readily available =/
The Alkaline Earth Aluminate was the only reasonably priced substance I found on eBay that would glow..

I suppose I'll just have to stick with the Fluorescein.

Thanks though

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