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#21 Phi for All

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:04 PM

...and then Big Brother steps in...


Actually, it's more like our lawyer steps in to prevent a liability for the site. If you prefer, you can picture him descending a rope from a black helicopter....


Furthermore, it would be "...questions, as they go against..." Do you or don't you speak English?


Well, that's definitely one way to make a first impression.


We prefer to attack the arguments here, and leave the people alone. It's possible to make a mistake in English while being fluent in it. I can cite precedence.

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#22 Mr Monkeybat

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:18 AM

Usable black powder can be made without sulfur according to Ulrich Brescher's measuments http://www.musketeer...der/recipe.html It is less explosive in a bomb or mortat but a long barreled musket can still get almost as much energy from it, and has the advantage of being less smoky and less corrosive on your weapon, but the black powder armies never realized this because they always assumed the most explosive powder was the best for firearms. His website is also a good source of information on black powder in general, its history and how it was made.


In a gas operated weapon the black poder would probably clog up the gas port forcing you to cycle it manually, but a recoil operated machine gun could probably work If you reduced the the strength of the recoil spring. loaded into the cartridges of modern weapons black power would considerably reduce their range and accuracy. Wikipedia lists  the muzzle velocity of a black powder .303 rifle as 2040 feet per second bested by some modern magnum revolver pistols. The muzzle velocity of the early smokeless cordite filled .303's is listed as 2441 feet per second however that is the same velocity as a AK47 which shoots a similar size bullet from a much smaller cartridge demonstrating the improvements smokeless powder chemistry in those intervening 53 years.


In a post apocalyptic scenario a couple alternatives to flint locks or percussion caps to consider are 1 pneumatic ignition. A spring loaded piston would forcing the air though the fuse hole due to compression would easily reach the ignition temperature of the powder. Diesel engines work the same way. It also make a handy alternative to matches: http://www.primitive...st_century.html

2: Piezoelectric ignition found on BBQ's depending on how extensive this end of electricity is, quarts it naturally occurring.


Some early breech loaders such as the Dresler Needle Gun used paper cartridges. The leakiness of the breech was apparently solved by adding leather washers to the bolt. You could swap the needle for a pneumatic piston and then you dont need the mercury fulmate.

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#23 Papa-Smurf



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 08:44 PM

First off, I am not a professional chemist, nor claim to be any kind of expert in any field, except that which the military trained me in, sniper. But, with that being said, there are multiple books, written by, and for, the military, especially for the special operations community, that describe the materials, and processes, by which to acquire the necessary ingredients, and make certain explosives, porpellents, and much more. We were taught primitive ways of producing both traditional black powder, and smokeless gunpowder, and how to reload ammo in the field with minimal equipment. This, along with other topics, including booby traps, making simple weapons, including firearms, and more, were covered in our teachings, and are in the books, and manuals. I would reccomend anybody interested in any of these subjects, to buy these manuals, some of which can be found on the internet for free, due to the freedom of information act. Good luck, and be careful, because some of these are extremely dangerous, and should be done with the utmost precautions. Hooah!
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#24 John Cuthber

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 06:01 PM

I'm just amused that the next thread in line after this is called "regrowth of lost organs and limbs"

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#25 Papa-Smurf



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Posted 9 October 2014 - 06:32 PM

What irritates me, is that we are d--n near to the point of having to manufacture, or I should say, remanufatre, our own ammo. But, I was, also, under their impression, when I joined this forum, that it would cover science, and how to do it safely! So, rather than explain, that to make something such as "gun cotton" (nitrocellulose), requires one to keep the temp at or below 19° C, because it is a highly exothermic reaction, people just jump the port man's case, and reprimand him for even attempting to find the basic process. I have three children, that my wife & I help bring into this world, and we have another couple hundred that call us momma and Papa. If they were seeking to make say, homemade rocket fuel, I would d--n sure hope somebody on here would explain to them the entire process, and safety precautions! I would rather they know how to do it safely, than lose a finger, or worse!
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#26 mjlush



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Posted 31 March 2015 - 11:47 PM

This is a good 4 years too late but I'm working on a project looking at how modern technology survives a 'soft apocolypse' (ie 99% of the population just evaporate, the idea being that its so generic that its widely applicable).
I chanced on your post researching making smokeless powder,  my current estimates suggest guns will last for hundreds of years but although ammunition will last at least 50-100 years but it will probably be used up in 10.
My blog is over on OMG, the moderator removed the link to my blog because it's against the rules! (but they probably don't mind a non-commercial link in my signature) and email is mjlush at gmail dot com, I'd be very interested to hear your thinking/research on the matter.

Edited by Phi for All, 31 March 2015 - 11:55 PM.
link advertising blog in thread removed

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#27 Tommygun



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Posted 15 April 2015 - 09:31 PM

Why don't you get a copy of The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives by Tenney L. Davis and you can discover how to do it for yourself.

Thanks for the info. I am also interested in researching this topic.

To answer the original poster's question... Yes, it is possible for smokeless powder, modern primers, and all other components of ammunition to be manufactured in a postapoclyptic scenario. Benjimin Franklin said it best. "Neccessity is the mother of all inventions". Smokeless powder has been around sence the 1800s. Yes, we've improved on it sense then, but the knowlege is still there. Colt had a manufacturing plant that did not run on electricitty...it ran on steam. Which could also be used to produce electricity. I think if an apoloypse did happen, someone would figure it out.


Just my opinion.

Edited by Tommygun, 15 April 2015 - 09:23 PM.

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