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#1 quickquestion

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:30 PM

Why am I banned, for simply repeating the exact same insults a horde of bullies has continuously directed at me?

In fact, I actually said less insults than they said to me.

 

It's a rhetorical question. Of course I know why I was banned. I was banned because I am an outsider of the group, and humans are dominated by xenophobia and their ancient emotional associations to desire conformity. Thus I was given a bias and banned, whilst others broke more rules than me, and got no punishment.

 

And don't even say it was because I didn't follow the scientific method. You had guys who made ridiculous unscientific claims like "animals are not sentient" and didn't ban them for that.

 

Let me know when you'll give me a valid reason to stop hating humanity.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:33 PM

Why am I banned, for simply repeating the exact same insults a horde of bullies has continuously directed at me?

In fact, I actually said less insults than they said to me.

 

It's a rhetorical question. Of course I know why I was banned. I was banned because I am an outsider of the group, and humans are dominated by xenophobia and their ancient emotional associations to desire conformity. Thus I was given a bias and banned, whilst others broke more rules than me, and got no punishment.

 

And don't even say it was because I didn't follow the scientific method. You had guys who made ridiculous unscientific claims like "animals are not sentient" and didn't ban them for that.

 

Let me know when you'll give me a valid reason to stop hating humanity.

Funny you should mention this, we're actually having a perfectly fine scientific discussion on whether or not animals are sentient.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:34 PM

Funny you should mention this, we're actually having a perfectly fine scientific discussion on whether or not animals are sentient.

That's nice, but that wasn't the main point of this topic.


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"Einstein and High Laurie's House, and even the star of the adult cartoon Archer (Sterling Archer) -and he's basically Jason Bourne, all have asperger's syndrome, which is autism without the bad side effects like poor muscle control, epilepsy, speech impediment, or any serious impairments. But they all have brain damage." - Super Polymath


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:37 PM

That's nice, but that wasn't the main point of this topic.

I wouldn't doubt it.

But considering it's a topic only meant to criticize science forums, I doubt I'll get in trouble for going off topic.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:38 PM

I wouldn't doubt it.

But considering it's a topic only meant to criticize science forums, I doubt I'll get in trouble for going off topic.

Has nothing to do with science forums in general, injust banning happens on all kinds of forums.


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"Einstein and High Laurie's House, and even the star of the adult cartoon Archer (Sterling Archer) -and he's basically Jason Bourne, all have asperger's syndrome, which is autism without the bad side effects like poor muscle control, epilepsy, speech impediment, or any serious impairments. But they all have brain damage." - Super Polymath


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:55 PM

Quick question.  I look forward to seeing you back soon.  Why don't you start posting on The Lounge where the standards for personal views and hypothesis are not as strict as some of the other Threads.

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:28 PM

Why am I banned, for simply repeating the exact same insults a horde of bullies has continuously directed at me?

In fact, I actually said less insults than they said to me.

 

It's a rhetorical question. Of course I know why I was banned. I was banned because I am an outsider of the group, and humans are dominated by xenophobia and their ancient emotional associations to desire conformity. Thus I was given a bias and banned, whilst others broke more rules than me, and got no punishment.

 

And don't even say it was because I didn't follow the scientific method. You had guys who made ridiculous unscientific claims like "animals are not sentient" and didn't ban them for that.

 

Let me know when you'll give me a valid reason to stop hating humanity.

"Why am I banned... ? "

It doesn't look like you are.

For example, you are still posting, and even starting new threads.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:29 PM

Why am I banned, for simply repeating the exact same insults a horde of bullies has continuously directed at me?
In fact, I actually said less insults than they said to me.

 
You were suspended because you violated the rules on civility.
 

It's a rhetorical question. Of course I know why I was banned.

 
I suspect you don't. Even when I had not read further, I immediately suspected that this would be some excuse you made up to feed a persecution complex.
 

I was banned because I am an outsider of the group, and humans are dominated by xenophobia and their ancient emotional associations to desire conformity. Thus I was given a bias and banned, whilst others broke more rules than me, and got no punishment.


...and I was right.

If you feel others were breaking the rules, you should report the posts using the "report" link at the bottom of the post. But that's for rules violations, not axe-grinding.

New members are welcome. Should they pee on the carpet and subsequently get shown the door, that's not xenophobia.
 

And don't even say it was because I didn't follow the scientific method. You had guys who made ridiculous unscientific claims like "animals are not sentient" and didn't ban them for that.


We don't ban people, or even scold them, for being wrong. If someone is factually wrong we expect that to be corrected in the course of discussion — kinda the reason the site exists. You are free to weigh in in the thread about sentience, if you can do so reasonably politely. Because we have rules and expect you to follow them. If you insult people, you will be warned and eventually suspended, and you now have empirical data to support that. If it continues, you will be banned.
 

Let me know when you'll give me a valid reason to stop hating humanity.


I don't think anyone but you owns that responsibility, and insulting people is a curious way to be asking for help in this regard.
 


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:29 PM

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:37 PM

Why am I banned, for simply repeating the exact same insults a horde of bullies has continuously directed at me?

As far as I can see the majority of the bullying behaviour in the threads you participate in comes from you. You rant, you rave, you whine. You insult people. You complain and accuse. It's tiresome. Please grow up. You probably have some good ideas. It would be nice to discuss them without the agenda driven rhetoric. Any chance of you letting that happen any time soon?


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:01 AM

 

Let me know when you'll give me a valid reason to stop hating humanity.

 

Go ahead and hate humanity. I don't care. But can you do it elsewhere, or if you insist on staying, at least do it a little less vocally?


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 05:36 AM

I've never been banned from a forum despite having been a member in many over the years. Yet some people find they are banned from every forum they visit, they are almost always the same people who blame the forum rather than their behaviour. Yet this correlation never occurs to them, it's a shame really as if they just modified their behaviour to follow some simple rules they might find a forum they can really enjoy without being banned.

In OPs case i feel rather sorry for him and would strongly suggest he sought some professional with which to talk through some of his ideas.
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:03 AM

Try actually doing something instead of sitting around whining.

Here's some inspiration for you - three boys - all under 15 at the time and with minimal resources - who have become famous for their achievements.

 

1) Richard Turere

http://www.engineeri...ent-Device.aspx

2)Erasto Batholomeo Mpemba

https://en.wikipedia...i/Mpemba_effect

3) William Kakwamba

http://williamkamkwa...mkwamba/page/7/

 

And this is just in my part of the world. How many others are there elsewhere?

 

So get off your ass and do something.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 12:15 PM

Why am I banned, for simply repeating the exact same insults a horde of bullies has continuously directed at me?

In fact, I actually said less insults than they said to me.

 

I agree that the ''bullying'' was unnecessary. Not because they were wrong, but because they cluttered the thread with off-topic banter.

 

From the perspective of both sides, you should have reported them if you didn't like their behavior and they, likewise, should have reported you if they didn't like it.

I agree with what the mods said. If I were a mod, I would have closed the thread, not for the insulting, but because it started going off-topic.

Having 4-5 different members flaming you is unproductive and completely unnecessary and was a mistake from their part as well.

 

As StringJunky said, this is a science forum, not facebook. Everyone should focus more on the content, not personalities.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:31 PM

 Everyone should focus more on the content, not personalities.

 

 

Yes. As we often put it, attack the argument, not the person making it.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:05 PM

I agree that the ''bullying'' was unnecessary. Not because they were wrong, but because they cluttered the thread with off-topic banter.
 
From the perspective of both sides, you should have reported them if you didn't like their behavior and they, likewise, should have reported you if they didn't like it.
I agree with what the mods said. If I were a mod, I would have closed the thread, not for the insulting, but because it started going off-topic.
Having 4-5 different members flaming you is unproductive and completely unnecessary and was a mistake from their part as well.
 
As StringJunky said, this is a science forum, not facebook. Everyone should focus more on the content, not personalities.

Your calm approach and attempt to calm things by pouring oil on troubled waters is commendable.

However, I don't think it is reasonable to equate the behavior of quickquestion with that of everyone else.
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:26 PM

However, I don't think it is reasonable to equate the behavior of quickquestion with that of everyone else.

 

Perhaps not, but the point is that people should have reported inappropriate behavior instead of starting a flame chain. If you see a crazy person in public spouting nonsense about the illuminati and harassing people, you call the authorities, instead of arguing with him and thus making even more of a fuss.

 

Also, I think the other members DID start insulting him/her first, instead of the argument. The blame goes both ways.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:56 PM

Perhaps not, but the point is that people should have reported inappropriate behavior instead of starting a flame chain. If you see a crazy person in public spouting nonsense about the illuminati and harassing people, you call the authorities, instead of arguing with him and thus making even more of a fuss.
 
Also, I think the other members DID start insulting him/her first, instead of the argument. The blame goes both ways.

I really think you are misunderstanding what has been going on. quickquestion's posts for the most part have been totally outrageous. To characterize our behavior as 'starting flame chains' and 'bullying' against quickquestion while you find his behavior as 'inappropriate' is a complete mischaracterization of the facts. I for one refuse to equate my behavior with his.

While you may be the type of person who turns to the authorities every time you see a violation of the rules, that is not how everyone functions. I've never called the police because of a crazy person spouting nonsense, and I often deal with situations myself. That is how the world works for many of us.
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And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it. -MP

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:58 PM

 

Perhaps not, but the point is that people should have reported inappropriate behavior instead of starting a flame chain. If you see a crazy person in public spouting nonsense about the illuminati and harassing people, you call the authorities, instead of arguing with him and thus making even more of a fuss.

 

Also, I think the other members DID start insulting him/her first, instead of the argument. The blame goes both ways.

 

Be specific please, as I've posted in many of his/her threads and have been accused, by him/her, of being insulting a number of times, simply, for asking questions.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 05:14 PM

For the record, I'm not talking about either of you. I don't remember who posted what, but I know that he/she called you a senile old man, which is very rude.

I was talking more about the newer members (not to name anyone in particular) who had nothing better to contribute than some one-liner insults.

 

 


While you may be the type of person who turns to the authorities every time you see a violation of the rules, that is not how everyone functions. I've never called the police because of a crazy person spouting nonsense, and I often deal with situations myself. That is how the world works for many of us.

 

I am not that type of person, but the MODS themselves asked that this be the standard course of action when dealing with those kinds of posts and specifically not that people take it into their own hands. At least I could respect that.

 

Again, I have not seen anything inappropriate by you or dimreeper specifically.


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