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Thales et al asks -- what is being claimed in this experiment.(???)

TIME AND THE METAPHYSICS OF RELATIVITY -- WILLIAM LANE CRAIG -- 2001.

Craig says..........

...............Ives & Stilwell were themselves neo-Lorentzians & so interpreted their results as a vindication of clock retardation for inertial frames in motion relative to the aether frame. "The conclusion drawn from these experiments is that the change of frequency of a moving light source predicted by the Larmor-Lorentz theory is verified," they concluded. Einsteinian relativists point out, however, that the results can be equally interpreted as a verification of the Einsteinian interpretation of Special Relativity..........

 

Prof Reg Cahill shows that Ives & Stilwell were correct -- Einsteinians wrong -- the results do not equally verify Einstein.

Simply google -- cahill ives stilwell.

A wonderful paper by perhaps the most important scientist alive.

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Thales et al asks -- what is being claimed in this experiment.(???)

TIME AND THE METAPHYSICS OF RELATIVITY -- WILLIAM LANE CRAIG -- 2001.

Craig says..........

...............Ives & Stilwell were themselves neo-Lorentzians & so interpreted their results as a vindication of clock retardation for inertial frames in motion relative to the aether frame. "The conclusion drawn from these experiments is that the change of frequency of a moving light source predicted by the Larmor-Lorentz theory is verified," they concluded. Einsteinian relativists point out, however, that the results can be equally interpreted as a verification of the Einsteinian interpretation of Special Relativity..........

 

Prof Reg Cahill shows that Ives & Stilwell were correct -- Einsteinians wrong -- the results do not equally verify Einstein.

Simply google -- cahill ives stilwell.

A wonderful paper by perhaps the most important scientist alive.

Cahill is a crank. Stop rubbishing the forum with your own crankreries.

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Thales et al had trouble finding original info on Ives & Stilwell. So did i. Wiki stuff is Einsteinian propaganda, & heavily censored.

 

If Ives & Stilwell were fully anointed & baptised apostles of Einstein, & if their experiment was a heavenly example of the truth of the SR, then why cant we find any of the original Gospel according to Ives & Stilwell? All we see is propaganda. Einsteinians have even used Ives & Stilwell to "prove" Einstein's transverse Doppler.

 

I would love to see some or all of Ives & Stilwell's original paper.

What was their intention -- theory & equations -- test results (in full) -- conclusions (as Thales et al says -- what were their claims).

 

Also, any info on Ives or Stilwell in the wake of their experiment. Any history re papers leading up to or following the experiment, & how it all influenced their professional lives.

 

If u google wiki for -- Herbert E Ives -- u will see some breathtakingly disgusting Einsteinian propaganda twisting Ives' beliefs.

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Thales et al had trouble finding original info on Ives & Stilwell. So did i. Wiki stuff is Einsteinian propaganda, & heavily censored.

 

If Ives & Stilwell were fully anointed & baptised apostles of Einstein, & if their experiment was a heavenly example of the truth of the SR, then why cant we find any of the original Gospel according to Ives & Stilwell? All we see is propaganda. Einsteinians have even used Ives & Stilwell to "prove" Einstein's transverse Doppler.

 

I would love to see some or all of Ives & Stilwell's original paper.

What was their intention -- theory & equations -- test results (in full) -- conclusions (as Thales et al says -- what were their claims).

 

Also, any info on Ives or Stilwell in the wake of their experiment. Any history re papers leading up to or following the experiment, & how it all influenced their professional lives.

 

If u google wiki for -- Herbert E Ives -- u will see some breathtakingly disgusting Einsteinian propaganda twisting Ives' beliefs.

Here is the copy of the paper, contrary to your claims it is readily available. You need to stop spewing crankeries.

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Thanx very much for that,

I also found a free read only copy on MyJSTOR of a book by Roberto Lalli -- Anti-Relativity In Action: The Scientific Activity of Herbert E Ives between 1937 and 1953. Which looks to answer my other wish re history papers in the wake of the experiment.

These will take me a few days to digest.

Thanx again.

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Here is the copy of the paper, contrary to your claims it is readily available. You need to stop spewing crankeries.

 

Readily available indeed - did you notice from where you linked that paper? <_<

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Readily available indeed - did you notice from where you linked that paper? <_<

Yes, I did.

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