Are Aliens visiting us

[Piccolo]

Is it possible we been visited by the extraterrestrial?

[fafalone]

Why is this in general chemistry? :P

Moved.

[Mastermold]

I don't think aliens have visited us for a few reasons:

First off, aliens with advanced technology do not live in our solar system because we would easily pick up their EM waves from any communication technology they use, or we would physically see the light and structures from their cities when astronomers view moons and planets in our solar system. So barring underground, reclusive, and technologically 'silent' aliens... there are NONE in our system, at least the kinds that could visit us secretly.

Secondly, Aliens that live outside our solar system would need very advanced technology to travel to Earth in any practical time period. Even at light speed, the nearest star is over 4 years of travel time away. Most Physicists have proposed that such travel would require either infinite energy and resources to create artificial 'shortcuts' (similar to what was seen in "Contact"), or a pre-existing Wormhole could allow it, but that is only conjecture because they are only theorized and none have ever been observed. So, in other words, travelling here from another solar system is practically improbable... but not entirely impossible.

And lastly, if they COULD visit us, it would be extremely difficult to keep themselves secret. To transport a being to our planet would require a ship landing, or a transporter (like Star Trek), but even Stephen Hawkin has admitted that it would be impossible to transmit every atom of a complex living being for any practical use. If they landed a ship on Earth, or orbitted Earth, an observer with a telescope could easily see them. And a cloaking device is not out of the question, but in that case... you must first consider the other two reasons.

If there are aliens out there... they are probably like us; evolved in a Darwinian style. So they probably have the same instinct that we do.. survival. But if they have technology, they definately have creativity, and curiosity... so then I think if they were capable of contacting us.... they would absolutely try to contact us. You don't need to look further than Earth to see aliens. Any other being out there is looking at the stars and saying, "I wonder if there's anyone else out there." And I guarantee that they would contact us in a heartbeat, just as we would.

[fafalone]

I completely agree.

But as to the technology...

Say the kind of technology needed for travelling several Mpc was a billion years away from what we have. Well, the universe is at least 15 billion years old, and life on our planet has only existed 6 billion years... so it's perfectly reasonable to consider that there's probably a planet with life that got started a billion years before us.

[Mastermold]

That's very true. Most of what will be invented in only hundreds of years cannot be imagined... a few million? Beyond belief or conception. I definately agree on the technology bit.

[blike]

http://www.nso.lt/tomas/I%20want%20to%20believe.jpg

Not sure what to make of the whole UFO scene. Maybe the government is testing something, or maybe their are actual UFOs of some sort "visiting" us. Of course, there isn't really any scientific evidence to back up UFOs, but there are eyewitness reports, military reports [from other countries], etc.

Half of my class saw one when we were on our senior trip at Breckenridge. It was quite interesting, no one [the other half of the class who weren't with them when they saw it] believed them till the local news reported the sightings later that night.

Its all very interesting to me, but I dunno.

[PogoC7]

I don't want to say this, but I must. *not cause I'm a believer*
Matrix
O yea, we have no idea about the "Real World"

[Piccolo]

I think the only possible way an alien can travel to our planet is by turning into energy or time travel.

[PogoC7]

Energy=Light.

[Piccolo]

Yes thats what I meant by becoming energy you go light speed yup!

[fafalone]

I believe the vast majority of UFO sightings are more than likely government aircraft; but we can't prove aliens aren't visiting us, we can only state there is a lack of evidence suggesting it.

[PogoC7]

Yea, It's funny how America was singled out by these aliens as the most intellegent race on earth. The alien's decided to do business with us, but not the rest of the world. Secret government treaties with aleins. Wouldn't even make a good movie. Although, I wouldn't be suprised to see one. Why is hollywood such carp.

[Piccolo]

I am upset at the fact that Aliens stopped making yaties after 2001. I know they were savage drones and lacked alot of intelligence but lets be honest they were smarter than the barry drone and alot more athletic.

They are coming out with new drones for 2003 but I havent heard the latest yet.

[fafalone]

America is really the worlds only super power... regardless of intelligence, since I'll admit we're not at the top of that list ;)

[PogoC7]

Yea, America just got lucky and thats why it's so much better off then other developed countries. Like in rap music. Countries are just hating on us.
America stands from freedom, equal rights and peace. Countries shouldn't complain. I also think the American people should show some pride because we all ripe on Bush; in turn, the world community sees that and does it aswell.

[PogoC7]

Last post had nothing to do with Aliens. So, Maybe Saddam is an Alein.

[Piccolo]

My friends mom was cheating with a Moshe. The Moshe happen to have his own yatie. The Yatie got his own room with no furniture just newspape all over the floor so that he wouldnt urinate on it. their were scratchmarks all over the wall from the Yatie though. they are tough to get out I must admit.

[Piccolo]

I almost forgot one of the Yaties favorte food is nicotine gum.

[PogoC7]

But you must teach the Yeties not to paint the walls using poop, because it's a instinct of theirs.
They feel comfort in poop covered walls. Makes them feel like they are in mama dake's womb.

[PogoC7]

You might not see a Yetie, but you can smell one.
*Back from my days in nam*

[Piccolo]

The Gov found out about this after 2000 and killed off all the Mama-dukes therefore the yaties arent being produced. So their are only a few left out there. Some are in new mexico and the some in florida and the rest in Israel.

some say the chuppa cabra was just another yatie. But its said the men in black caught up to tha one.

[Piccolo]

about the Moshe's they are out there making normal house wifes cheat on there husbands.(mostly in south florida do to hot weather. they like it)


But the Barry well thats pretty much extinct. their is only one in captivity in a place called Evert, were they make it think it has a job. They are very violent , stuped and pretty much resemble the caveman.

[Sayonara³]

If you two had stayed on topic this thread might have held my interest.

And if there are aliens investigating the USA it's because you are the most dangerous country on the planet. It doesn't take a lot of working out.

[edit] Additionally, if you class Americans as a single race (see quotage in Blike's post, below) then you obviously haven't thought it through very well.

[blike]

Yea, It's funny how America was singled out by these aliens as the most intellegent race on earth.

::puts on tin foil hat:: Well, they did crash here first.

[Piccolo]

:: Turns on walkie Talky :: Well you have to watch out I know an Alien and his a member his name is Mastermold. Beware!

[Piccolo]

:: Throwing water on Aliens face:: But is it possible aliens turn into energy or they have a machine that helps them leave there body wich enables them to travel long distances?

[fafalone]

Originally posted by Sayonara³

And if there are aliens investigating the USA it's because you are the most dangerous country on the planet. It doesn't take a lot of working out.



ignorance... just because we have the most advanced weapons does'nt mean other countries aren't more apt to cause more destruction than us

[Sayonara³]

I would hardly call it ignorance.

You are the only western country that will not allow independent weapons inspectors in to observe your conventional, nuclear, biological and chemical weapons facilities.

I don't see how this makes you any safer than, say, Iraq.

[Sayonara³]

Also, don't forget that you could just as easily apply the same argument to Iraq.

[fafalone]

There's UN weapons inspectors in the UK?

[Sayonara³]

That is not a valid line of argument. I said the most dangerous.

[PogoC7]

Originally posted by PogoC7
Yea, It's funny how America was singled out by these aliens as the most intellegent race on earth.
Sayonara^3.
When I said America was single out, it was more of a joke. But When you say America would be singled out because of our threat to the world. that makes no sence.
As I understand it; Aliens made a dela with the United States back in WW2. This would make Germany the biggest threat to the world. Germany had more aggresive palns (take over the world), plus smarter scientists CREATING a atom bomb.
Alein did crash here (lets just pretend), so that would be a good reason to side with the U.S. So the rest of the world wouldn't know about their presence.
Also, imagen such a intellegent race singleing out a group of people. That would be like us singleing out the smarted group of monkeys in a area of the rain forest. Aliens do not speak using their mouths and they esspecially not english. So using telepathly, they would just get millions of thoughs running though our brains and would not be a able to set up any communication with us. It would be difficult to signle our nation out as the "smartest" or "most dangerous", but maybe as the peace keeper of our world. That would make more sence. Our nation was isolated throught both World Wars and most wars which happened in history.

[fafalone]

Originally posted by Sayonara³
That is not a valid line of argument. I said the most dangerous.

Well, you're wrong. Most powerful does not mean most dangerous.

[aman]

I saw a Guatemalen soldier who accidently discharged his machine gun on a packed bus. I saw a Colombian security guard fire a warning shot into a concrete floor in a crowded market.
Dangerous is stupid people with weapons.
Just aman

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by PogoC7
utter drivelPlease delete your account.

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by fafalone
Well, you're wrong. Most powerful does not mean most dangerous. "Well you're wrong".

Obviously the best argument for anything ever.

I am extremely disappointed that you would let stomach-churning patriotism get in the way of your ability to take an objective view, Fafalone.

[Sayonara³]

Additionally, at no point did I make the argument that America is dangerous because they are powerful. In fact, at no point in this thread have I provided any sort of commentary on America's might.

Putting words in my mouth = bad, mm'kay?

[PogoC7]

Originally posted by Sayonara³
And if there are aliens investigating the USA it's because you are the most dangerous country on the planet. It doesn't take a lot of working out.


hahahaha.
oyyy. I'm a brit. Our teeth are bad. Eat it.
I live in a nation were we do whatever America says. I wish I were an American.

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by PogoC7
hahahaha.
oyyy. I'm a brit. Our teeth are bad. Eat it.
I live in a nation were we do whatever America says. I wish I were an American. Just in case you delete that post, I took the liberty of quoting it.

This is flagrant trolling and country-bashing, all rolled into one post, along with a personal attack.

If you have an opinion you want to express, do it in a civilised fashion. And do try to recognise the difference between "nation" and "government".


ps - Simpsons racial generalisations == demographic fact. You are teh winnar!!!

[PogoC7]

o, I'm sorry. I meant; Britian has a rat problem and I would be gald to come a fix it. Thats all.

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by PogoC7
o, I'm sorry. I meant; Britian has a rat problem and I would be gald to come a fix it. Thats all. Considering you believe aliens regard America as being the most intelligent nation on Earth, you aren't making much of an effort to be an ambassador for your people.

See my 21 yr old sister semi-naked here. (http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=190)

[Piccolo]

I dont think the Aliens care what Country we are from we all have the same organs to them.

We are to Aliens as cattle is to us.

[PogoC7]

Sayonara³
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[blike]

Haha. enough with the personal insults and country bashing, save that for the politicians.

[Piccolo]

Come on people lets talk about some Aliens up in this !@# thats why I posted this thread lol.

[fafalone]

If aliens were here, I strongly doubt they'd let the government keep their presence classified and not have it leak out.

as to their existence, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever other species exist on other planets... but also not all aliens are superadvanced with intergalactic travel ability.

think about the odds... the odds of a planet supporting life are extremely small; but billions of stars are in a galaxy. there's billions of galaxies, and just with those rough estimates, the chances have got to be alot better than 1 in a quintillion (10^18) of a star having a planet with earthlike conditions, and if there's earthlike conditions there's a very good chance of life developing.

[bucks]

if aliens did exist, and they visited us, they would have to be more inteligent than us to be able to have the technology to do so where as we havent even set foot on mars yet. my guess is if aliends do exist and are among us, they wouldnt get drunk and clumsily crash their spash ship into earth on a joyride. they will be observing us from afar as if we are an intresting science experiment.

[Sayonara³]

I have to say I agrre with Fafalone and Bucks on the chances of life off Earth, and the likelihood of aliens not being able to pilot their own ships.

[Piccolo]

Its still amazing to me to think Aliens came down do to the tough possibilities of actually flying from that far away. This is why I also believe at tmes that what we see in the sky ae actually ships flown by the Government. And another possibility could be if Aliens exist they dont have a physical body like us but more like energy that can fly around and have a conciounce. Im not saying that Aliens have to be superior to us just be able to travel better do to their energy bodies.

[Mastermold]

But I think before you immediately accept the idea that a physical form can become energy, you must consider the impossiblities. First, energy is always static... it must be supplied, or if it loses its 'power source' for just a second, all consciousness would be lost forever. This is analogous to RAM memory in a computer... the RAM is just stored energy and it makes memory, but when the computer is turned off, that memory is lost forever. The hard drive is a physical form capable of storing information, or organization. And that is the key word, Organization. An energy form does not easily organize, and so can not have repeatable pathways say for artificial neurons (an artificial brain) or even pathways to link all parts of the energy (nerves, circulatory, or any communication to all parts of the energy being). If we say that it does not need these things, then how could the being manifest itself back into physical form? Its organization would be lost forever.

[fafalone]

That's a nice summary of what a primitive people understand about energy. Obviously we haven't got a clue. You have to consider the time frame we're thinking of aliens in. Anyone who has the audacity to claim our understanding of energy will hold true for millions of years really needs a crash course in history, and what we thought was absolutely impossible merely decades ago.

Also, you're forgetting something about energy... it did organize itself into the matter of the universe.

[bucks]

dont forget there is always the chance that there is an alien race that isnt as advanced as us, and in 15-20 years from now we could be flying saucer shaped ships over to them

[PogoC7]

15-20 years if we start tomorrow.

[fafalone]

The government is 15-20 years ahead to begin with...

[PogoC7]

If the government launched a probe (or shuttle???) tomorrow it would have a chance of getting there (other planet) in 15-20 years.
*I do not think we are going to be very advanced by then.*
*not capable*

[fafalone]

We haven't even found another planet worth going to. And the technology to get there in any reasonable amount of time is alot farther off than 20 years.

[aman]

This site says that spce cameras have been capturing UFOs for quite a while. http://www.ufomag.co.uk/euroseti.htm
They have a lecture you can download, about 1/2 hour if you watch it and the photos are kind of grainy. It's interesting.
Just aman

[Mastermold]

Not that I tried to claim an understanding of energy... but to show that the essential element of how we would define a living being of energy would not be typical definitions. The typical respiration, reproduction, reactivity, etc. would not apply.. and we would define it as something that has a consciousness... memory, reasoning, etc... all the elements of the human consciousness, and anything else would not be recognized. I mean do we recognize a light bulb as life? No, but why not? Because it lacks the consciousness we recognize. Our understanding of consciosness may be primitive, but I think if it is all we have, we must work with it. And a being of energy is more like a useless Sci-fi fantasy or pipe dream than an actual scientific goal.

Also Fafalone mentioned the way that energy made the universe... but it is still not known how energy can make matter, only the vice versa. We can convert matter into energy, we have not (to my knowledge) achieved the opposite.

[PogoC7]

Well, I just got back from watching some TV. I was watching some UFO show on Science Discovery and a funny though came to mind.
Some guy was talking about how in mid-evil times they had "white ghosts" at the bedside. In other times they were "demons" and other mythical creatures. SPOOKY.
Whats funny is that this guy disproved Aleins right there and he didn't mean too. If these Aleins are, what he tried to say, been here all along. Then they are just modern day stories which came with our expanding knowledge of space travel.
Who KNOWS? In 90 years poeple won't even give Aliens (in the UFO sence) a second thought, just laugh. Maybe, by then will be in fear of viruses being living things. Ones that came back from Mars!!!

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by aman
This site says that spce cameras have been capturing UFOs for quite a while. http://www.ufomag.co.uk/euroseti.htm
They have a lecture you can download, about 1/2 hour if you watch it and the photos are kind of grainy. It's interesting.
Just aman http://www.ufomag.co.uk/Disney.jpg
If that's the best they can do, an image called 'disney.jpg' that would take me 10 minutes to better in Photoshop (including NASA watermark and time indexing), then I wouldn't get your hopes up that they have any proof.

People will always make crap up and then lie about the number of hits they get. It's the universal truth of the web.

[PogoC7]

Why post that horrible PICTURE. It makes my eyes hurt. DAMN YOU!!!

[NSX]

lol
What about the Roswell incident?

[JaKiri]

Roswell that ends well.

[lilbabynushi]

I definitely believe that aliens exist in this universe. It's so not possible that we are only ones living in this universe.But it doesn't have to mean that they have already visited us or that their means of transportation to earth is a stupid saucer.They could probably have visited us without our knowing.I think we shouldn't really get all hyped up about some stupid sightings in the sky........though one day we may find that there is something more to it all than we think.

[NSX]

Originally posted by lilbabynushi
I definitely believe that aliens exist in this universe. It's so not possible that we are only ones living in this universe.But it doesn't have to mean that they have already visited us or that their means of transportation to earth is a stupid saucer.They could probably have visited us without our knowing.I think we shouldn't really get all hyped up about some stupid sightings in the sky........though one day we may find that there is something more to it all than we think.

Well, there are some discrepancies on Earth, ie. the Statues on the Easter Islands, the Egypatian pyramids, etc.

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
Roswell that ends well.

:-p nice pun.

[fafalone]

There is more evidence for humans having constructed those than aliens.

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by NSX
Well, there are some discrepancies on Earth, ie. the Statues on the Easter Islands, the Egypatian pyramids, etc.
There are no discrepencies surrounding the pyramids that cannot be adequately explained without aliens, and we know who built the Moai on Rapa Nui (Easter Island to you), and when, and why.

Further embellishment is just wishful thinking.

As a side note, anybody who tells you that the Giza Pyramids line up with Orion's Belt hasn't looked at the maths.

[fafalone]

Even if they line up with it, it's perfectly visible with the naked eye, and if there was a planet there, it's close enough to see.

[Aardvark]

Close enough to see a planet in Orions Belt? Are you sure?

[matter]

there are those civilizations that drew those giant forms in the earth, that you can see with like a plane overhead, but they could have just been doing that to show whatever god they thought was in the sky. they did have something that looked like a landing strip, but I don't think anything that could fly through the galaxy would need to land like an airplane.

However I do think that if something smarter than us did come to earth, they would be interested in our civilization and probably want to keep coming back.