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Crash
April 12th, 2004, 11:54 PM
Just wondering if it is such a thing, i know quite alot of people who just sit at their computers writing long unessecary sermons just because its playing with the computer (well not quite that bad).
I myself spend quite alot of 'unnessecary' time on a computer, so i was just wondering if you guys know anything on the subject?
Kevin Conti
April 14th, 2004, 4:57 AM
Computer use can be very addictive because of all the reinforcements that it has to offer. I would not say that they are addictive in psychiatric terms, that is, they do not result in tolerance (you dont need more use to get same feelings) and am unsure whether or not it results in psychological of physiological dependence, although it may the former.
Prolonged internet use does have its problems, particularly as it may result in a form of hypnosis when an individual is totally concentrated to a screen. He/she is totally focused on the conversation or what ever else he is looking at and can strain the eyes. But more importantly, in pathological terms individuals can be very irritable when interupted while using their computer or can have extreme cravings when they are away from it for a while. Furtermore, due to the lack of socialisation due to excessive net use individuals may be more prone to social related problems, such as social anxiety disorder.
In evolutionary terms, we are heavily inclined to release important brain rewarding neurotransmitters when a behaviour is highly pleasurable. Such behaviours in ancestoral times were heavily linked with reproductive success or social status, so we evolved mechanisms to feel depressed when a reward is took away. This highlights the discrepency between conditioning yourself to be more confident over a life time and drug talking which cheats. The same principle can be applied to net addiction and it explains why individuals often feel an irrational impulses to use their computer again after they have been away from it for a while.
So certainly there are pathological elements associates with excessive PC use and you could be treated for it by a psychologist.
Crash
April 14th, 2004, 10:19 PM
Wow cheers dude
Kevin Conti
April 14th, 2004, 10:23 PM
np dude
biggles
April 19th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Furtermore, due to the lack of socialisation due to excessive net use individuals may be more prone to social related problems, such as social anxiety disorder.
I don't quite agree on this. My net addiction over the years as actually improved my social life and behaviour very much. It made me go to lots of social events and meeting lots of people I wouldn't otherwise. So it actualy had a very positive effect. :-)
Marz Man
April 19th, 2004, 1:01 PM
I don't quite agree on this. My net addiction over the years as actually improved my social life and behaviour very much. It made me go to lots of social events and meeting lots of people I wouldn't otherwise. So it actualy had a very positive effect. :-)
Any lan parties? I so want to goto one:( lol
Kevin Conti
April 20th, 2004, 11:27 AM
biggles: like most of psychology, it is based on statistical averages, not population actualities.
ku
June 10th, 2005, 8:47 PM
I'm a recovering net addict. The thing about the Internet is that there is a dark side that includes violence, gore, hate, and so on. As drug addict starts with the soft stuff (marajuana) and then moves on to the hard stuff (heroin), the same seemed to happen to me with the Internet. I started with the soft stuff like CNN and Yahoo Finance, but then over time I moved on to the harder stuff like pornography, gory sites, hate sites, extremist political sites, and Fox News.
I frequently went to message boards related to these topics and posted there. This was all when I was 14 or 15 years old. What these deviant sites did to me is normalize these deviant behaviors, making me think that everyone behaved like this, that this behavior was commonplace, when in reality it was only the practices of a minority. My grades went down a little, I lost more friends, and then when I suspected I was addicted to the Internet, I decided to fix myself up.
What I did was I installed Internet Filtering Software. I installed two. One was freeware, Naomi 2.5 (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://www.radiant.altervista.org/indexen.html&e=9771), and another I purchased, Content Protect (http://www.contentwatch.com/products/contentprotect.php). I randomly generated a 20-digit number and used it as the password, wrote out two copies of the password, and then hid both of them in hard-to-reach places in my house. I censored porn, violence, hate, and adult stuff. If you tell yourself not to go to these sites you won't success because on the Internet you only need to tap a few keys and you're somewhere you know you shouldn't be. If you are to stop yourself from going to these sites you need to erect the barriers yourself. By hiding the password in hard to reach places I am increasing the barriers, increasing the costs of looking at illicit material.
After trying the treatment for a while I noticed that I felt kind of isolated and cut off from the world. I suspect this must have been the withdrawal symptoms people talk about. It may have also been becuase this was a self-help plan, not something recommended by a cousellor or an expert. Every now and then I go to Google and try to enter these sites but keep getting knocked back. Entering the overriding password is too hard anyway because I've buried the password under heaps of books on the other side of the house, so after a long period of failure you learn to give up and go instead to the cleaner websites.
H2SO4
June 10th, 2005, 9:38 PM
dude
Genecks
May 28th, 2006, 12:27 AM
I believe the term for such a computer disorder would be called infomania. However, I'm not sure.
...you learn to give up and go instead to the cleaner websites.
Or reformat. Or live-dvd knoppix.
JesuBungle
May 28th, 2006, 12:47 AM
As drug addict starts with the soft stuff (marajuana) and then moves on to the hard stuff (heroin),
Come on now, I did LSD before I smoked marijuana. The gateway drug thing is a myth.
sabbath
May 28th, 2006, 1:57 AM
I guess I'm a computer addict.
And it's making me poorer everyday...in terms of finance.:D
Psycho
May 28th, 2006, 9:19 AM
Come on now, I did LSD before I smoked marijuana. The gateway drug thing is a myth.
That is wrong what he said anyway, as you are more likly to go from smoking cigerettes to hard drugs then from smoke weed.
alice
May 28th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Computer addict, huh? I plead...GUILTY! I am hooked to the computer but not as much as how hooked I am to the television. I can't live without it! How do I cure this addiction? Any suggestions?
Genecks
May 28th, 2006, 10:08 PM
Computer addict, huh? I plead...GUILTY! I am hooked to the computer but not as much as how hooked I am to the television. I can't live without it! How do I cure this addiction? Any suggestions?
Turn it into a career. :cool:
Analyze the plot, characters, design, script, etc. Become a producer. I know how to make a better web layout than most people who make large amounts of money. I've seen professors at my college teach web development, and all I can do is laugh at their weak attempts to create a beautiful website. It seems many forgot the basic concepts of web development.
People have little understanding of the word "eyecandy".
The simple and basic design of a webpage is the best design. Easy to navigate and understand are the key concepts I keep in mind.
The television industry needs better shows, thespians, and realism. There's a current scare among the media because of the online media that is being created. People are becoming their own entertainers on the web. I believe Entertainment magazine showed this scare in an article.
ecoli
May 28th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Turn it into a career. :cool:
exactly...
if you do it at work, you're not going to want to come and do it. :-)
Genecks
May 28th, 2006, 10:15 PM
exactly...
if you do it at work, you're not going to want to come and do it. :-)
Goes with the old saying, "Never make your hobby into your job."
padren
May 29th, 2006, 3:32 AM
Come on now, I did LSD before I smoked marijuana. The gateway drug thing is a myth.
The whole premise of the gateway drug is kinda flawed I think. I mean, if X people will choose try try heroine at some point, chances are they'll be open to trying marijuana too, and its easier to get (in some places).
and Ku:
I can't help but to wonder so I'll ask: did you ever analyze your interest in the stuff? I know addiction is real in general, and can affect one's decision making greatly, but I've always believed it is best to change what you want to do instead of throwing up stumbling blocks for oneself. If I wanted to be a vegitarian agian, I wouldn't just stop eating meat and pine for it every day - I'd go to a slaughterhouse and throw up a lot, and love tofu with a passion.
I have no idea what the equivelent would be, but it just seems strange to passively accept desires while blocking them instead of changing them.
Sorry, that is quite sidetracked.
On Topic:
I do think people have psychological and social needs that are very driving, and can be satiated by computer use, which in turn would result in a dependancy of sorts. I can't speak to the literal addiction element though.
GutZ
May 29th, 2006, 9:35 AM
I have an anxiety disorder, I use the computer alot...
:(
I am statistic.
Computers can be addictive though without those things. Funny thing is I enjoy playing games with other over the net, I guess you can be who ever you want to be on the net.
alice
June 1st, 2006, 12:06 AM
Turn it into a career. :cool:
Yep. I'm currenly looking for a part time job that has something to do with the pc. But I'm not sure if I can get one. Hmm...career, eh? I actually took Information Technology for college. BTW, which course is easier, Computer Science, or Information Technology?:confused:
Genecks
June 1st, 2006, 12:28 AM
Depends on social skills. heh.
alice
June 1st, 2006, 1:09 AM
Depends on social skills. heh.
Haha. I guess it's difficult then. What have I gotten myself into? Oh well...that's just the way it is, huh?
Genecks
June 1st, 2006, 1:11 AM
One could assume computer science is based on physics and mathematics; IT would be based on networking, fixing computers, helping people.
However, that was jokingly biased.
alice
June 1st, 2006, 1:14 AM
It's pretty much the same. Whichever way I go, I'll still have a hard time. So whatever. I will have to study real hard. It's about time I get my brain working anyways.
Pseudoswallo
June 23rd, 2006, 5:27 PM
I also plead guilty. My life consists mainly of school -> computer -> meal -> computer. And most of that time is Internet useage.
Any suggestions? I can't get a job yet because I'm only 14...
alice
June 24th, 2006, 3:33 AM
Pseudoswallo, you should stop using the computer...not necessarily stop, but minimize your usage of the machine. You can do better, more productive things out there, in the outside world.
Pseudoswallo
June 24th, 2006, 10:09 AM
I intend to minimize my computer useage this summer, even though I try to keep it educational. Learn to speak German, do that wallflip, maybe even build up some semblace of social skills.
Oh and I forgot in my previous post - weed the gardain, play D&D
scicop
June 24th, 2006, 3:00 PM
naltrexone for you addicts!!!
Teotihuacan
June 26th, 2006, 6:51 PM
Just wondering if it is such a thing, i know quite alot of people who just sit at their computers writing long unessecary sermons just because its playing with the computer (well not quite that bad).
I myself spend quite alot of 'unnessecary' time on a computer, so i was just wondering if you guys know anything on the subject?
Here's an interesting article on the subject, from the Last Millenium. The integration factor is moot, now. But I still think you can find it on the John Hopkins University web site. While there, see the latest study, linking caffiene as a "predictor", and many more.
ref. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/psychiatry
John Suler's The Psychology of Cyberspace This article dated Aug 96, Revised Aug 98, March 99 (v1.8) Jump menu for this book ------------------------- Home page/Table of contents Article index Subject index Search Copyright & how to cite Comments from readers Best viewing of this book ------------------------- Life at the Palace Psychotherapy section ------------------------ About John Suler Speaking topics John's Blog Rider University -------------------------- Download this book
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Computer and Cyberspace Addiction
A hardcopy version of this article appeared as:
Suler, J. (2004). Computer and cyberspace addiction.
International Journal of Applied Psychoanalytic Studies, 1, 359-362.
A heated debate is rising among psychologists. With the explosion of excitement about the internet, some people seem to be a bit too excited. Some people spend way too much time there. Is this yet ANOTHER type of addiction that has invaded the human psyche?
Psychologists are not even sure yet what to call this phenomenon. Some label it an "Internet Addiction Disorder." But many people are addicted to their computers long before the internet enters their lives. Some people are extremely attached to their computer and don't even care about the internet. Perhaps we should call the phenomenon a "Computer Addiction." Also, let's not forget the very powerful, but now seemingly mundane and almost accepted addiction that some people develop to video games. Video games are computers too... very single-minded computers, but computers nevertheless. Or how about telephones? People get addicted to those too, and not just the sex lines. Like computers, telephones are a technologically enhanced form of communication and may fall into the category of "computer mediated communication" (aka, CMC) - as the researchers are dubbing internet activities. In the not too distant future, computer, telephone, and video technology may very well merge into one, perhaps highly addictive, beast.
Perhaps, on a broad level, it makes sense to talk about a "Cyberspace Addiction" - an addiction to virtual realms of experience created through computer engineering. Within this broad category, there may be subtypes with distinct differences. A teenager who plays hooky from school in order to master the next level of Donkey Kong may be a very different person than the middle aged housewife who spends $500 a month in AOL chat rooms - who in turn may be very different from the businessman who can't tear himself away from his finance programs and continuous internet access to stock quotes. Some cyberspace addictions are game and competition oriented, some fulfill more social needs, some simply may be an extension of workaholicism. Then again, these differences may be superficial.
Not many people are waving their fingers and fists in the air about video and work addictions. Not many newspaper articles are written about these topics either. They are passé issues. The fact that the media is turning so much attention to cyberspace and internet addictions may simply reflect the fact that this is a new and hot topic. It may also indicate some anxiety among people who really don't know what the internet is, even though everyone is talking about it. Ignorance tends to breed fear and the need to devalue.
Nevertheless, some people are definitely hurting themselves by their addiction to computers and cyberspace. When people lose their jobs, or flunk out of school, or are divorced by their spouses because they cannot resist devoting all of their time to virtual lands, they are pathologically addicted. These extreme cases are clear cut. But as in all addictions, the problem is where to draw the line between "normal" enthusiasm and "abnormal" preoccupation.
"Addictions" - defined very loosely - can be healthy, unhealthy, or a mixture of both. If you are fascinated by a hobby, feel devoted to it, would like to spend as much time as possible pursuing it - this could be an outlet for learning, creativity, and self-expression. Even in some unhealthy addictions you can find these positive features embedded within (and thus maintaining) the problem. But in truly pathological addictions, the scale has tipped. The bad outweighs the good, resulting in serious disturbances in one's ability to function in the "real" world. Almost anything could be the target of a pathological addiction - drugs, eating, exercising, gambling, sex, spending, working, etc. You name it, someone out there is obsessed with it. Looking at it from a clinical perspective, these pathological addictions usually have their origin early in a person's life, where they can be traced to significant deprivations and conflicts. They may be an attempt to control depression and anxiety, and may reflect deep insecurities and feelings of inner emptiness.
As yet, there is no official psychological or psychiatric diagnosis of an "Internet" or "Computer" addiction. The most recent (4th) edition of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (aka, DSM-IV) - which sets the standards for classifying types of mental illness - does not include any such category. It remains to be seen whether this type of addiction will someday be included in the manual. As is true of any official diagnosis, an "Internet Addiction Disorder" or any similarly proposed diagnosis must withstand the weight of extensive research. It must meet two basic criteria. Is there a consistent, reliably diagnosed set of symptoms that constitutes this disorder? Does the diagnosis correlate with anything - are there similar elements in the histories, personalities, and future prognosis of people who are so diagnosed. If not, "where's the beef?" It's simply a label with no external validity.
So far, researchers have only been able to focus on that first criteria - trying to define the constellation of symptoms that constitutes a computer or internet addiction. Psychologist Kimberly S. Young at the Center for On-Line Addiction (see the links at the end of this article) classifies people as Internet-dependent if they meet during the past year four or more of the criteria listed below. Of course, she is focusing specifically on internet addiction, and not the broader category of computer addiction:
Do you feel preoccupied with the Internet or on-line services and think about it while off line?
Do you feel a need to spend more and more time on line to achieve satisfaction?
Are you unable to control your on-line use?
Do you feel restless or irritable when attempting to cut down or stop your on-line use?
Do you go on line to escape problems or relieve feelings such as helplessness, guilt, anxiety or depression?
Do you lie to family members or friends to conceal how often and how long you stay online?
Do you risk the loss of a significant relationship, job, or educational or career opportunity because of your on-line use?
Do you keep returning even after spending too much money on on-line fees?
Do you go through withdrawal when off line, such as increased depression, moodiness, or irritability?
Do you stay on line longer than originally intended?
In what he intended as a joke, Ivan Goldberg proposed his own set of symptoms for what he called "Pathological Computer Use" (see Internet Addiction Disorder Support Group on this web site). Other psychologists are debating other possible symptoms of internet addiction, or symptoms that vary slightly from Young's criteria and Goldberg's parody of such criteria. These symptoms include:
drastic lifestyle changes in order to spend more time on the net
general decrease in physical activity
a disregard for one's health as a result of internet activity
avoiding important life activities in order to spend time on the net
sleep deprivation or a change in sleep patterns in order to spend time on the net
a decrease in socializing, resulting in loss of friends
neglecting family and friends
refusing to spend any extended time off the net
a craving for more time at the computer
neglecting job and personal obligations
On a listserv devoted to the cyberpsychology, Lynne Roberts (robertsl@psychology.curtin.edu.au) described some of the possible physiological correlates of heavy internet usage, although she didn't necessarily equate these reactions with pathological addiction:>
A conditioned response (increased pulse, blood pressure) to the modem connecting
An "altered state of consciousness" during long periods of dyad/small group interaction (total focus and concentration on the screen, similar to a mediation/trance state).
Dreams that appeared in scrolling text (the equivalent of MOOing).
Extreme irritability when interrupted by people/things in "real life" while immersed in c-space.
In my own article on "addictions" to the Palace, a graphical MOO/chat environment, I cited the criteria that psychologists often use in defining ANY type of addiction. It's clear that the attempts to define computer and internet addiction draw on these patterns that are perhaps common to addictions of all types - patterns that perhaps point to deeper, universal causes of addiction:
Are you neglecting important things in your life because of this behavior?
Is this behavior disrupting your relationships with important people in your life?
Do important people in your life get annoyed or disappointed with you about this behavior?
Do you get defensive or irritable when people criticize this behavior?
Do you ever feel guilty or anxious about what you are doing?
Have you ever found yourself being secretive about or trying to "cover up" this behavior?
Have you ever tried to cut down, but were unable to?
If you were honest with yourself, do you feel there is another hidden need that drives this behavior?
If you're getting a bit confused or overwhelmed by all these criteria, that's understandable. This is precisely the dilemma faced by psychologists in the painstaking process of defining and validating a new diagnostic category. On the lighter side, consider some of the more humorous attempts to define internet addiction. Below is one list from The World Headquarters of Netaholics Anonymous. Although this is intended as humor, note the striking similarity of some of the items to the serious diagnostic criteria... There is a kernel of truth even in a joke:
Top 10 Signs You're Addicted to the Net
10. You wake up at 3 a.m. to go to the bathroom and stop and check your e-mail on the way back to bed.
9. You get a tattoo that reads "This body best viewed with Netscape Navigator 1.1 or higher."
8. You name your children Eudora, Mozilla and Dotcom.
7. You turn off your modem and get this awful empty feeling, like you just pulled the plug on a loved one.
6. You spend half of the plane trip with your laptop on your lap...and your child in the overhead compartment.
5. You decide to stay in college for an additional year or two, just for the free Internet access.
4. You laugh at people with 2400-baud modems.
3. You start using smileys in your snail mail.
2. The last mate you picked up was a JPEG.
1. Your hard drive crashes. You haven't logged in for two hours. You start to twitch. You pick up the phone and manually dial your ISP's access number. You try to hum to communicate with the modem.
You succeed.
There's also the intriguing epistemological dilemma concerning the researchers who study cyberspace addictions. Are they addicted too? If they indeed are a bit preoccupied with their computers, does this make them less capable of being objective, and therefore less accurate in their conclusions? Or does their involvement give them valuable insights, as in participant observation research? There's no simple answer to these questions.
The Integration Principle: Bringing the Worlds Together
As a result of all the online work I've been doing, here's the premise I'm thinking about a lot:
It's a problem when your face-to-face life becomes dissociated from your cyberlife. It's healthy when your f2f life is integrated with your cyberlife.
People become "addicted" to the internet, or act out pathologically in cyberspace, when they have dissociated it from their f2f life. Their cyberspace activity becomes a world unto itself. They don't talk about it with the people in their f2f life. It becomes a walled-off substitute or escape from their life. Cyberspace almost becomes a dissociated part of their own mind - a sealed-off intrapsychic zone where fantasies and conflicts are acted out. Reality testing is lost. Fixing this dissociation is an implicit or explicit component of many of the techniques for helping internet addicted people.
On the other hand, healthy internet use means integrating the f2f and cyberspace worlds. You talk about your online life with your real world family and friends. You bring your real identity, interests, and skills into your online community. You call on the phone or meet in-person the people you know online. And it works the other way too: some of the people you knew primarily in the real world, you also contact through email or chat. "Bringing in the real world" is an important principle for helping people who are addictively stuck in cyberspace. And its also a powerful tool for intervening with people who are addicted to misbehaving in cyberspace, such as snerts. How do you cure an acting out adolescent who is hiding behind cyberspace anonymity? Address him by his real name. Find out about his real world interests and talk to him about it. And if all else fails, contact his parents.
Now let me go back again to the basic premise: "It's a problem when one's in-person life becomes dissociated from one's cyberlife." The beauty of this premise, I think, is that it also applies to the mirror image scenario. Some people vilify the internet. They want nothing to do with it. That also is dissociation, a failure to integrate. That also is a problem.
See also in The Psychology of Cyberspace:
Why is This Thing Eating My Life? - An article that examines the healthy and unhealthy aspects of "addictions" to the Palace, a multimedia chat environment (see The Palace Study for more information about the Palace).
To Get What You Need: Healthy and Pathological Internet Use - A more in-depth, academic version of Palace article listed above.
Bringing Online and Offline Living Together: The Integration Principle - The rationale and strategies for integrating online and offline living.
An interview with me by Morris Jones from Internet Australasia magazine. In the interview I respond to Jones' questions about this addiction article.
Cold Turkey: Messages from an Ex-Palace "Addict" - A Palace user decides to break the habit.
Mom, Dad, Computer (Transference Reactions to Computers) - One reason why some people become so attached to their computer is that it satisfies intense (and often unconscious) interpersonal needs from their past.
Cyberspace as Dream World: Illusion and Reality at the Palace - Some people may be drawn to cyberspace because it fulfills the need for an altered state of consciousness, similar to dreams. This may be especially true of the highly visual and fantasy-based MOO environments like the Palace.
Internet Addiction Disorder Support Group - Ivan Goldberg's parody of "Pathological Computer Use."
Internet Addiction Questionnaire - devised by two German students.
Internet Addiction in a Nutshell - My opinion of this topic, as concisely as possible! This article is
offered for CE credit.
Click here for information
See Also On Other Web Sites:
COLA -- Center for On-Line Addiction (http://netaddiction.com) - This comprehensive project conducted by Dr. Kimberly Young is devoted to the study of cyberspace addictions.
Azy Barak's reference list on net addiction and pathological use.
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JesuBungle
June 26th, 2006, 9:36 PM
I'm reading this thread on the toilet. Is that addiction?:D
jwong3328
August 5th, 2006, 8:33 AM
i too used to be addicted badly to my computer. right now, ive been spending less time, albeit more than your average person.
I find boredom to be an underlying factor. Lets face it, the reason why i was spending hours in front of my comp doing useless useless stuff that i dont even remember the next day, is because i have nothing better to do....quite sad really :( hehe.
If you want to stop being so addicted to your computer, find a hobby like join a sports club, go out with your mates, etc.... It has worked wonders for me.
It's just a matter of finding a more meaningful and useful way to occupy yourself.
Im not saying boredom is the cause of all computer (or any other) addictions, but it certainly was in my case and im sure in many others as well.
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