abskebabs
February 12th, 2006, 8:06 AM
I have already posted this in other threads in the biology section of these forums but didn't get many responses. This is why I'm posting it here as I assume people reading it may know a lot more about how these processes could work[and won't be scared off by the word Quantum;)] [To be honest I'm no Quantum physics expert by any stretch of the imagination, which is why I would be very grateful to know peolpe's opinion on this].
Basically I'm proposing that evolution as we know it is not caused by so called random occurences, but is caused directly by organisms gaining information about their enviroment and adapting because of it. For example from the website:
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/qe/Outline.htm
I got the information that:
"If these particles can enter quantum states then DNA may be able to slip into the quantum multiverse and sample multiple mutations simultaneously. But what makes it drop out of the quantum world? Most physicists agree that systems enter quantum states when they become isolated from their environment and pop out of the multiverse when they exchange significant amounts of energy with their environment, an interaction that is termed ‘quantum measurement’. Cells may enter quantum states when they are unable to divide and replicate – perhaps they can’t utilise a particular substrate in their environment. They may collapse out of those quantum states when their DNA superposition includes a mutation that allows them to grow and replicate once more. In this way the environment interacts with, and performs a quantum measurement on the cell, to precipitate advantageous mutations. From our viewpoint, inhabiting only one universe, the cell appears to ‘choose’ certain mutations.
But is there any evidence for this? When John Cairns of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston set out to test the dogma that mutations occur at the same rate whether or not they provided an advantage, he found that things were not so simple. Cairns examined bacteria that were deficient in their ability to utilise the milk sugar lactose. When he exposed these bacteria to conditions in which lactose was the only food source, they starved. The cells did not die but instead went into a kind of suspended animation state, called dormancy. Dormancy was a well-known phenomenon so Cairns was not surprised to find that his bacteria managed to survive in this state for many weeks. What did come as a surprise was the discovery that, after a lag period of a day or two, several of his bacterial cells managed to grow and replicate. These replicating cells had acquired a mutation that allowed them to feed on the lactose. What was even more surprising was his observation that the cells only acquired these lactose-eating mutations when lactose was available"
The way these organisms find out about their surroundings has a lot to do with how the macromolecular world interacts with the quantum world and this involves quantum entanglement. There are also 2 website addresses showing work by russian researchers on precisely how this works. I didn't understand a lot of the jargon used but I'm sure there are people who will.
http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI2.htm
http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI3.htm
Basically I'm proposing that evolution as we know it is not caused by so called random occurences, but is caused directly by organisms gaining information about their enviroment and adapting because of it. For example from the website:
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/qe/Outline.htm
I got the information that:
"If these particles can enter quantum states then DNA may be able to slip into the quantum multiverse and sample multiple mutations simultaneously. But what makes it drop out of the quantum world? Most physicists agree that systems enter quantum states when they become isolated from their environment and pop out of the multiverse when they exchange significant amounts of energy with their environment, an interaction that is termed ‘quantum measurement’. Cells may enter quantum states when they are unable to divide and replicate – perhaps they can’t utilise a particular substrate in their environment. They may collapse out of those quantum states when their DNA superposition includes a mutation that allows them to grow and replicate once more. In this way the environment interacts with, and performs a quantum measurement on the cell, to precipitate advantageous mutations. From our viewpoint, inhabiting only one universe, the cell appears to ‘choose’ certain mutations.
But is there any evidence for this? When John Cairns of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston set out to test the dogma that mutations occur at the same rate whether or not they provided an advantage, he found that things were not so simple. Cairns examined bacteria that were deficient in their ability to utilise the milk sugar lactose. When he exposed these bacteria to conditions in which lactose was the only food source, they starved. The cells did not die but instead went into a kind of suspended animation state, called dormancy. Dormancy was a well-known phenomenon so Cairns was not surprised to find that his bacteria managed to survive in this state for many weeks. What did come as a surprise was the discovery that, after a lag period of a day or two, several of his bacterial cells managed to grow and replicate. These replicating cells had acquired a mutation that allowed them to feed on the lactose. What was even more surprising was his observation that the cells only acquired these lactose-eating mutations when lactose was available"
The way these organisms find out about their surroundings has a lot to do with how the macromolecular world interacts with the quantum world and this involves quantum entanglement. There are also 2 website addresses showing work by russian researchers on precisely how this works. I didn't understand a lot of the jargon used but I'm sure there are people who will.
http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI2.htm
http://www.emergentmind.org/gariaevI3.htm