photon is a wave!

[kkris1]

Let's do away with particle/wave duality!!!
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[patcalhoun]

Let's do away with particle/wave duality!!!
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It looks like you've just ended up at the Rydberg formula. How does this do away with wave-particle duality?

[JustStuit]

What about the particle characteristics? Like distinct energy level, changing that changes the wavelength, and intensity changed by adding or lowering numbers of photons present. Those are particle charateristics right? (I'm not too sure)

[CPL.Luke]

interesting paper, it seems you're very close to deriving wave particle duality, you might like to know that the photon is a probability wave.

some criticisms of the paper however, it seems that you tried to hypothesize that the electron would slowly lose its energy over time, and then later advocated the quantum perspective that light was quantized in some unit.

[kkris1]

The only reason Einstein introduced photons as having dual wave-particle like characteristics was that continuos wave model of the photon couldn't explain photoelectric effect (and black body radiation) The continuos wave couldn't have its energy limited to be proportional to its frequency. I tried to show that exponentially decaying wave could have indeed total energy proportional to its frequency, therefore eliminating the need for dual characteristics of the photon


It looks like you've just ended up at the Rydberg formula. How does this do away with wave-particle duality?

[CPL.Luke]

einstein actually fought against wave-particle duality, it was introduced by ernst schrodinger, to cover entirely different phenomena

[kkris1]

The maximum allowable energy of the electron would be quantized (more energy would simply cause the electron to jump to different energy level or leave atom alltogether), however excited electron on certain level would loose its energy gradually, thus creating photon; if you superimpose many light "wavelets" and create sine wave, you will end up with laser beam


interesting paper, it seems you're very close to deriving wave particle duality, you might like to know that the photon is a probability wave.

some criticisms of the paper however, it seems that you tried to hypothesize that the electron would slowly lose its energy over time, and then later advocated the quantum perspective that light was quantized in some unit.

[CPL.Luke]

that wouldn't fit the data however, because in your model the amplitude of light emited from electrons closer to the nuclei would be the same as the amplitude emited from the valence electrons.

[kkris1]

No , it is not what I was trying to show. Saying that amplitude is constant I was refering to specific energy level of an electron (if you would supply more energy to increase amplitude at certain level, electron would simply jump to another level)


that wouldn't fit the data however, because in your model the amplitude of light emited from electrons closer to the nuclei would be the same as the amplitude emited from the valence electrons.

[CPL.Luke]

I was reffereing to the light emitted on the way down, the light has to come in fixed jumps, otherwise it doesn't fit the data.

if light doesn't make fixed jumps on the way down than the amplitude of the emitted light will stay the same but the frequency will increase (this doesn't happen)

[kkris1]

It is not the light which does jump , it is an electron. The light , according to my hypothesis, is the energy lost by the electron and emitted as a wave. It is interesting to realize the "normal" light is coherent only for a very short time, thus supporting again my hypothesis of the light as decaying wave

I was reffereing to the light emitted on the way down, the light has to come in fixed jumps, otherwise it doesn't fit the data.

if light doesn't make fixed jumps on the way down than the amplitude of the emitted light will stay the same but the frequency will increase (this doesn't happen)

[CPL.Luke]

pardon me I suppose I should have used pulses instead of jumps, but anyway back to the discussion.

when the electron jumps it emits one quick burst of light known as a photon, this photon then has its own frequency, the frequency of the photon is proportional to its energy such that

E/h=f

if this is really what you've been trying to say than I appologize as I misunderstood you.

If it is as though ie. the electron emits light on its way down atleast semi-continuously, then you are not correct.

[kkris1]

It all depends what we call "short bursts". Generally speaking they(photons) are very short bursts of energy (they lasts approx 10exp-8 of a second, however considering their frequency, it still will approx 100,000 troughs and valleys till the amplitude will become insignificant


pardon me I suppose I should have used pulses instead of jumps, but anyway back to the discussion.

when the electron jumps it emits one quick burst of light known as a photon, this photon then has its own frequency, the frequency of the photon is proportional to its energy such that

E/h=f

if this is really what you've been trying to say than I appologize as I misunderstood you.

If it is as though ie. the electron emits light on its way down atleast semi-continuously, then you are not correct.

[Klaynos]

Photo-electric effect is by no means the only evidence for the particle-wave duality of a photon.

If a photon is not a particle, then it cannot have momentum (momentum being a value associated with particle behaviour).

How do you explain the Compton effect where a photon colides with a stationary electron, where some of the momentum of the photon is transphered to the electron?

[CPL.Luke]

how do you explain the instantaneous jump in the electron level then? (if the light is emitted over a period of time)

[kkris1]

Photon is created when electron is excited but not jumping; it looses its energy gradually as a photon


how do you explain the instantaneous jump in the electron level then? (if the light is emitted over a period of time)

[swansont]

Photon is created when electron is excited but not jumping; it looses its energy gradually as a photon

How does this conserve energy? The photon is localized in time inversely proportional to its energy, by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.