A Stupid Question

[KHinfcube22]

If all the animals on arth evolved from the same original species, where did trees come from? (I missed the tree Discovery Channel for a few months.)

[frostyburn]

First of all, you are making one major, incorrect assumption -- PLANTS are not ANIMALS, and the two do not share a common ancestor; this should answer your question. It is widely believed that plants evolved from a species of algae, and animals from a single-celled organism.

Also, could you please check your post for basic spelling, and grammatical errors before posting it? I think everyone would appreciate this.

And just to let you know, you're the sole reason why I registered on these forums.

I used to love reading the posts, and discussions here -- but then I noticed some arrogant kid talking about acquiring a PHD in Quantum Physics Try to have a little respect for people who are *actually* persuing a higher education, and have experienced the demanding workload of college; you haven't made it through high school yet, and already are assuming that you are some kind of genius. I was literally laughing out load when you went as far as to say I can pass any exam given to me.
I'm sorry to come down so hard on you, but you are really "all talk", and I couldn't stand listening to your overbearing pride any longer.

I'm sure your reply to this will be just as amusing as any one of your other posts.

[KHinfcube22]

Originally posted by frostyburn

I'm sorry to come down so hard on you, but you are really all talk and I couldn't stand listening to your overbearing pride any longer.

I'm sure your reply to this will be just as amusing as any one of your other posts.

Hmm, I guess your right. I am mostly talk. But I a genious. According to 70 or 80 internet websites, my IQ is ranges 150-171. So I have reasons to talk. But a lot of the stuff I posted posted before thinking. And I know plants did not evolve from the same thing animals did. If you check my last post, I never said they did. I just happened to note that all animals evolved from the same mono-celled organism. I did that to confue those with limited inteligence, and to make them believe that I thought they, plants & animals, came from the same thing.

[frostyburn]

So why did you post this question?

Hmm... I guess it was to "trick" those with limited intelligence into thinking that you meant something that you did not say (and why would you do this?).

I am very impressed that you were able to accurately calculate your IQ range, based on "70 or 80" internet sites -- go take an actual (over two hour long) IQ test and then report back with the results. :embarass:

By the way, where did you say this in your original post? I just happened to note that all animals evolved from the same mono-celled organism. Oh, that's right -- you did not say that in your last post.

p.s. Keep the posts coming, I think your grammar is beginning to improve! ;)

[KHinfcube22]

In my original post I said all animals on Earth, well, arth really, but tha was a typo., came from the same original species. I assumed all other readers of this site already know that it was a mono-celled being that all animals evolved from.

[frostyburn]

bottom line: you are cool :bs:

[KHinfcube22]

Originally posted by frostyburn
bottom line: you are cool :bs:

I am rather offended by your crude humor. Well, not really. How long did it take you to come up with that last line? One hour? Two? Three at most. Man your intelligent:bs:

[frostyburn]

judging from the post times... 9 minutes

not bad huh? ;)

cmon, lets be friends!

[NSX]

Guys...no fighting.
:)

It's not a stupid question; for people like me w/ no BIO background, I'm intrigued by this theory.

[NSX]

Originally posted by NSX
Guys...no fighting.
:)

It's not a stupid question; for people like me w/ no BIO background, I'm intrigued by this concept.

[Sayonara³]

KHinfcube22 is starting to look more and more like a troll.

Trolls get banned.

[KHinfcube22]

I'm sorry. I'll try to post only things of relevence.

[NSX]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22
I'm sorry. I'll try to post only things of relevence.

You can post the other stuff too! It's very interesting; just in Psudoscience & Metaphysics (http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=59)

Say; why is metaphysics with Pseudoscience anyways? Too many theories on thinking about being?

[Sayonara³]

Really it should be:

Pseudoscience
Religion and Theology
Philosophy and Metaphysics

[JaKiri]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22
According to 70 or 80 internet websites, my IQ is ranges 150-171. So I have reasons to talk. But a lot of the stuff I posted posted before thinking.

Well, for a start IQ doesn't actually measure intelligence.

Secondly, online tests are usually not exactly accurate (for a start, it's in their best interests to give a higher value; you need a disinterested source).

Thirdly, it depends how you define genius.

[Radical Edward]

surely everything has a common ancestor, unless you want to say life came about twice.

[JaKiri]

Originally posted by Radical Edward
surely everything has a common ancestor, unless you want to say life came about twice.

That depends how probable it is, and how alike the 'spawning' conditions were.

[Sayonara³]

I take the view that anyone who came and asked us because he missed a Discovery show on the same subject obviously isn't bothered about getting good information.

Oh, and also that I need the question to make sense before I try to answer it. This question is a bit like asking "If all new cars are made in factories, why do we need bicycles?".

[fafalone]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22


Hmm, I guess your right. I am mostly talk. But I a genious. According to 70 or 80 internet websites, my IQ is ranges 150-171. So I have reasons to talk. But a lot of the stuff I posted posted before thinking. And I know plants did not evolve from the same thing animals did. If you check my last post, I never said they did. I just happened to note that all animals evolved from the same mono-celled organism. I did that to confue those with limited inteligence, and to make them believe that I thought they, plants & animals, came from the same thing.

Internet sites are not an accurate measurement of IQ. In fact, they range anywhere from 30 to 100 points higher than your IQ actually is. Anyone who relies on internet tests to tell them their IQ certainly does not have one in that range.

"But I a genious"
ROFL!!! This has got to be one of the funniest things anyones ever said on this site. YOU'RE AN IDIOT. Here's a little tip: a genius does not spell genius with an o, or forget the verb in a sentence.

Get over yourself, I promise that if you take a real IQ test administered by a reputable organization, you won't be anywhere close to 150, much less 171. You're just another one of those mid-120s pseudointellectuals who tries to fool people into believing that you're smarter than you actually are, but the problem here is we actually have people in the 150-171 range AND who are in college and graduate school who see right through the crap you claim.

[KHinfcube22]

Originally posted by fafalone


Internet sites are not an accurate measurement of IQ. In fact, they range anywhere from 30 to 100 points higher than your IQ actually is. Anyone who relies on internet tests to tell them their IQ certainly does not have one in that range.

"But I a genious"
ROFL!!! This has got to be one of the funniest things anyones ever said on this site. YOU'RE AN IDIOT. Here's a little tip: a genius does not spell genius with an o, or forget the verb in a sentence.

Get over yourself, I promise that if you take a real IQ test administered by a reputable organization, you won't be anywhere close to 150, much less 171. You're just another one of those mid-120s pseudointellectuals who tries to fool people into believing that you're smarter than you actually are, but the problem here is we actually have people in the 150-171 range AND who are in college and graduate school who see right through the crap you claim.

I agree internet sites are not an accurate account of information concerning ones IQ. And the only reason I usually have spelling errors is my computer sucks, and it skips letters, or even words that I type. And your probably right, my IQ most likely does not reach 150, but I am smarter than the average 14 year old, by far...

[KHinfcube22]

Hey, did the algea and the single-celled organism come from the same thing?

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22
Hey, did the algea and the single-celled organism come from the same thing? Occam's Razor.

It's not likely that life evolved twice, separately yet similarly, at about the same time, on the same planet.

Until evidence to the contrary appears, or we have better data about the frequency of life-creating conditions in this galaxy, assume all organisms on Earth are descended from one root biochemical process (an ancestral unicellular proto-organism, if you like).

[fafalone]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22


I agree internet sites are not an accurate account of information concerning ones IQ. And the only reason I usually have spelling errors is my computer sucks, and it skips letters, or even words that I type. And your probably right, my IQ most likely does not reach 150, but I am smarter than the average 14 year old, by far...

At least the average 14 year old knows he's no genius. In all seriousness, your posts on this site have indicated a complete ignorance in every subject area. Maybe if you learned the proper way instead of mainstream crap you'd have a clue.

Stupid 14 year olds are alot less annoying than stupid 14 years olds who think they're smart. If you're interested in a subject, great, go learn it the proper way from the proper sources. Don't make up things based on mainstream sources and your own middle school education. Even the greatest physicists didn't just say "hey i'm a genius and heres my theory", they took the time to understand the work leading up to what was currently known.

[NSX]

Originally posted by fafalone


Internet sites are not an accurate measurement of IQ. In fact, they range anywhere from 30 to 100 points higher than your IQ actually is. Anyone who relies on internet tests to tell them their IQ certainly does not have one in that range.

"But I a genious"
ROFL!!! This has got to be one of the funniest things anyones ever said on this site. YOU'RE AN IDIOT. Here's a little tip: a genius does not spell genius with an o, or forget the verb in a sentence.

Get over yourself, I promise that if you take a real IQ test administered by a reputable organization, you won't be anywhere close to 150, much less 171. You're just another one of those mid-120s pseudointellectuals who tries to fool people into believing that you're smarter than you actually are, but the problem here is we actually have people in the 150-171 range AND who are in college and graduate school who see right through the crap you claim.


Originally posted by fafalone


At least the average 14 year old knows he's no genius. In all seriousness, your posts on this site have indicated a complete ignorance in every subject area. Maybe if you learned the proper way instead of mainstream crap you'd have a clue.

Stupid 14 year olds are alot less annoying than stupid 14 years olds who think they're smart. If you're interested in a subject, great, go learn it the proper way from the proper sources. Don't make up things based on mainstream sources and your own middle school education. Even the greatest physicists didn't just say "hey i'm a genius and heres my theory", they took the time to understand the work leading up to what was currently known.

oh my gosh;
No wonder you're in the FAQ faf:

· Fafalone was mean to me.

Oh well. Whining about it will make him be even meaner.
[ Back to Top ]

· Fafalone sure is arrogant.

Not really, it's just that his profound intolerance of exudation of unjustified ignorance makes it seem that way.

:D

[quack]

I'm new to posting here, but I've been lurking for a while.. and I havent seen fafalone post <i>anything</i> productive. Does he know anything? I'm just curious how qualified he is to ridicule others.

[atinymonkey]

For the sweet love of Jesus, run quack run! :eek:

[Sayonara³]

Don't run, DUCK!

Boom boom :-p

[NSX]

Originally posted by quack
I'm new to posting here, but I've been lurking for a while.. and I havent seen fafalone post &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; productive. Does he know anything? I'm just curious how qualified he is to ridicule others.

Check his profile.

[fafalone]

Originally posted by quack
I'm new to posting here, but I've been lurking for a while.. and I havent seen fafalone post &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; productive. Does he know anything? I'm just curious how qualified he is to ridicule others.

Lately I've been too busy to post much productive stuff, but I'd have a look at the first news story on the main page for starters. Then try reading through older threads, which you should have already done as to not make yourself look ignorant.

[KHinfcube22]

Ok, Fafalone, I'm not as ignorant as you may think...I thought over the thories I posted here for days, weeks, months even...just so I could prove the are the most logical theories I have ever heard. My age makes no diffrence in the matter...I can prove every point I have previously stated in the subjects of quantum physics, and cosmology...So don't cal me ignorant...unlike some, I know what I I'm talking about...

[JaKiri]

Logic only dictates if the argument has the possibility of validity, not if it is valid or not.

[fafalone]

Go ahead, prove it. Just because you think you're following logic doesn't mean your logic is correct. And don't waste your time "proving" things without laying down the math, because the universe certainly does not follow anything resembling normal logic.
And if you can mathematically prove the crap you're spewing, go kick Hawking out of the Lucasian Chair or win any prestigious and then come back here.

[KHinfcube22]

Even if my logic is incorrect....what makes you think yours is?....My logic, mathmatics, and "proof" are just as good as yours.....I can prove anything just s good as you, or anyone for that matter....... And if you wish for me to prove it, then I will........

[Sayonara³]

Saying "my logic and mathematics are just as good as yours" is completely invalid.

If you are using them correctly, then your application of them and the results you get should be exactly the same as anybody else who is using logic and maths.

[The dark lord]

Its stupid to argue whos smarter or whos got a higer IQ, remember knowing maths doesnt make you a better person! Ok maybe on this forum it does, but nobody should think they are more worth than other less intelligent people!

Hey frostyburn I realy think this isnt the best place to persue a higer education!

Where I live we learn at school (something like your high school) the same material as you in college, maybe even more.

Hey its nothing personal, but if the kid is on hormons give him a break, he is just trying to expand his imaggination.

As you can see my english isnt very good so I hope you wont hate me for that.

As for you KHinfcube22, try to acquire some baisic knowledge before asking (I always look for it, so i dont end up as a total ignorant) after all this is a serious forum!

[KHinfcube22]

I never said they were the same, I said they were just as good.....theres a diffrence....

[The dark lord]

I wish to excuse myself, i have just broken one of my rules "mind your own buisness" i'll leave you two to argue in peace! Sorry, i had to write something!

[KHinfcube22]

Originally posted by The dark lord
Its stupid to argue whos smarter or whos got a higer IQ, remember knowing maths doesnt make you a better person! Ok maybe on this forum it does, but nobody should think they are more worth than other less intelligent people!

Hey frostyburn I realy think this isnt the best place to persue a higer education!

Where I live we learn at school (something like your high school) the same material as you in college, maybe even more.

Hey its nothing personal, but if the kid is on hormons give him a break, he is just trying to expand his imaggination.

As you can see my english isnt very good so I hope you wont hate me for that.

As for you KHinfcube22, try to acquire some baisic knowledge before asking (I always look for it, so i dont end up as a total ignorant) after all this is a serious forum!

Your absolutely right....Ones inteligence is not ones worth.....I'm sorry Fafalone....I'm sorry for being arrogent, (I know my spelling is astrocious....).....and I'm sorry for anything else I have done to offend you......Can you forgive me?.....and I think its annoying to know some of the basic stuff, so I skip straight up to learning the complex stuff....I understand what I learn, but get confused when something basic pops up.....I'll try harder.........

[Sayonara³]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22
I never said they were the same, I said they were just as good.....theres a diffrence.... That was my point, you flaming great... AAAAARRRGGGHHH$%£%£%£!!!!!!111112

[JaKiri]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22
Even if my logic is incorrect....what makes you think yours is?

Which logic?

Are we talking about established science?

That's not my logic alone, that's the logic of the entire scientific establishment (to a degree).

Oh, and prove you're better at maths than me. That may be rather hard, as you're quite far behind where I was at your age.

[KHinfcube22]

You have no clue to what my mathmatical skills are, unless you are some kind of super psycick, (I say I'm sorry for all my spelling erors, but I seem to have lost my speller), and what I meant is that I can find mathmatics that can prove my stuff, just as, ok maybe not just as, but pretty close, ok maybe not that either, but I can find mathmatics can prove my theories if given time.... I agree that you are way more intelligent MrL, and your expirence is much greater than mine, and most likely you do know what you are talking about, and some of my theories make absolutly no sense to those who are expirenced.......I will try harder to make theories based on knowledge of previous scientist.....

[matter]

that was some of the funniest stuff i've read in a while. how could you exploit his computers errors and mistake them for his? What's that? Oh, It was easy? Ok then. Seriously, I was at work laughing to myself for like 15 minutes at what fafalone typed. if my co-workers didnt already think I was deranged, they do now. :-p

[JaKiri]

Originally posted by KHinfcube22
You have no clue to what my mathmatical skills are, unless you are some kind of super psycick

Just an educated guess.

[matter]

LOL

[Erador]

well, has anyone actually tried answering the post?

look, life originated at the same time, or so our dear scientists telll us.
in that case, man and tree have the same roots(no punintended)

howveer, i belive in god, so this is totally not relevant to me

or rather id say this: god created man and created tree.
tree and man had the same creator, not the same "spawner"
lol
spawn sounds too starcrafty
stupid zergs........

[JaKiri]

ZERG RUUUUUUUUUSH!

[Sayonara³]

Erador:

It would help if the question made sense.

At the moment, it either suggests that everything that isn't a tree is an animal, or that anything that is not an animal is a tree.

It's probably perfectly possible to trace back to where trees began appearing, but I'm not sure that's what KH was really after.


As for god being in opposition to life occuring on its own then evolving - since there is no good evidence for how life began (and probably never will be), there's no reason to believe that some 'god' entity did not kick it all off on this planet.

Personally I don't see religious beliefs about god as being a problem for evolutionary theories, seeing as evolution is something any smart creator would ensure featured in his creations if he wanted life to last more than a few years.

However even basic principles such as Occam's Razor suggest that coming up with flights of fancy such as "Genesis" just because there's no reason to assume the world was not created by god are nothing short of folly.

Maybe it was, but we really don't need to make up the story to go with it and then modify our group behaviour accordingly.

When a group of molecular biologists in a lab in Switzerland discovers a mechanism for spontaneous amine synthesis that may have been involved in the aggregation of the first pre-cellular structures, or when a deep ocean survey team find a sulphur vent on the bed of the pacific, feeding a unique ecosystem heat from deep within the earth, you don't see them dancing with glee and denouncing any religion that attempts to explain the origins of life in a contextual way.

[AzurePhoenix]

Hey, i kow i'm new, and really late in the dbate, but i'd like to say that I find it most likely that all genetically based earth-life (that means prions and viral agents are not included) originated from a cmmon ancestor at some point, whether plant, animal, fungal, or bacterial, or protozoan

[AzurePhoenix]

Actually, I think I’ve fund the deciding factor. If you look at all earth based life o the cellular level, you’ll see that essentially, plant’s and animals are identical. In billions of year of evolution, we’ve differentiated ourselves very little. Basically, plants have vacuoles, cell walls, and chloroplasts, that’s the real difference. Everything else they have we have. They’re even very similar genetically. That is something you’d expect o see in close cousins, evolutionarily. If our first ancestors were not the same as plant’s, the two groups would be as different as we are to whatever’s lurking out there on a distant, or not so distant world. It goes without saying that this is unequivocal proof that the origin of life is the are for both plant and animal life. Duh.

[AzurePhoenix]

Hey, one question. How do you use a custom sticker? I really don't like b-spears

[Phi for All]

You can load a custom avatar from the User Control Panel. 75 x 75 pixels or less.

I agree about Britney.

[AzurePhoenix]

I would like to know what on earth you were thinking. No offense. But really, its obvious that we share a common ancestry. You’re suggesting that plants and animals are completely alien to one another. Under those circumstances, life in the galaxy would be quite dull, because every species would be more similar to us than we’ve ever suspected. Come on kids, this is school stuff, really

[Dov]

Add this to "common Origin" :

Plants and animals share the building blocks and fundamental biochemistry that evolved before the two kingdoms presumably diverged from common single-celled ancestors. But with their radically different cell structures, plants and animals are thought to have pursued largely independent evolutionary routes.

Innate immunity turns out to involve strikingly similar mechanisms in both plants and animals. One can find resemblances in the receptors that recognize pathogenic components such as lipopolysaccharide; in the signaling systems that initiate responses through kinase cascades; and in the defense mechanisms, including reactive molecules such as nitric oxide.

There are both functional and genetic similarities between plant and animal innate immunity.

[AzurePhoenix]

My point exactly. Thanks Dov (as in dove? or just symbolic for somethin'?)

[coquina]

before I barge in on your pi$$ing contest.

It has been a long time since I studied biology, and a lot has changed, but I still remember some interesting facts. Before I chime in here, I often do a little research double check my memory.

Here is a link from Rutgers University about the "Euglenoid Project".
http://bio.rutgers.edu/euglena/

Regarding the idea that plants and animals evolved from the same organism, there is a really cool one-celled organism that contains both plant and animal characteristics. Its name is Euglena. As far as its animal characteristics, it has flagella, and can move. As far as being plantlike it contains chloroplasts and can photosynthesize. I guess you could call it a "planimal". :D :D

There are a variety of euglenoids - and different species vary as to the degree that they are plant-like or animal-like. They have a very unique cell surface, called a "pellicle". One of the major differences between plant cells and animal cells is that plant cells have a rigid wall, and animal cells have a flexible membrane. The pellicle of the euglenoids is organized with ridges and grooves, and beneath them are protein based strips. If the strips are arranged longtitudinally, the animal is rigid. If they are arranged in a helical fashion, the animal is able to "wiggle".

[john5746]

Hey, did the algea and the single-celled organism come from the same thing?

Yes, God

:D

[Dov]

Re AzurePhoenix's question(# 54): Dov (Hebrew)= Bear (English) = Ursus

[AzurePhoenix]

Derr, there are species that exist in a kind of kindom limbo. Early single-cellulars became algae by adapting chloroplasts, and eventually, cell walls and mega-sized vacuoles. Algae evolved from these early, amoebe-like entities. Think about it you stupid @ss, that's how life advances, by evolving new adaptations, and contrary to common beliefs, great evolutionary changes occur in a snap of the fingers. ONly the little stuff, the minor details, takes millenia to develope. Look at bat's wings, as far as we can tell, the direct ancestor of the earliest known bat did not have wings, yet the first bat had a ffully developed set of those leathery flappers we all know and love.


Besides, algae is a single-celled organism. God, I am so glad I wasn't born with that pesky y-chromosome you men pack. It causes so many friggin' flaws. Double-x is perfection.